Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

[Mert]

Hello Armenian friends. I know you are tired of Turks in this forum. You must know that this problem is very important for us. I hope you can understand the mixed feelings of us.

I think the killings of Armenians was genocide. Nobody in Turkey denies the killings of Armenians, they only deny that it was a genocide. There are reasons for that opinion.

Turkey is so much different from Ottoman Empire. We fighted against Ottoman rule in the War of Independence and we destroyed the Ottoman Empire. That was a revolution. Ottoman was only our origin but we never take that state as a model for us. Sultan and people like Talat Pasha were all exiled from Turkey after our country founded.

After the war we signed treaties with Greece, UK, France and other countries. Ottoman Empire have had foreign debts to several countries and these debts were not repaid. Because of these debts Turkey was accepted as Ottoman Empire's legacy. We have paid these Ottomans' debts until 1960's. But we are not different from Greece or other former Ottoman States. Only the sultans were Turkish but Ottoman Empire have never had a Turkish identity.

As you can see we have to be responsible for the crimes of a country we fighted against and destroyed. This causes mixed feelings in Turkish people. They are angry at people who killed the Armenians but they don't want to be the responsible of a crime done by Ottoman. And they deny it with the help of goverment's and media's comments.

We are not cruel people. Majority of Turkish people want peace with Armenia. Don't care the extereme-nationalist Turks, they don't represent the majority of Turkish people. I hope you can understand the feelings of Turkish people.

I am sure Turkey will accept the genocide in the future and the border will be opened.

[jgk3]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

Uh... Ataturk. We don't like him.

[Mert]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

I know. You don't have to love a nationalist person. Every country has its heroes and most of them are others' enemies. I believe Ataturk has no relation with Armenian massace.

[TomServo]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

Okay.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

I think the killings of Armenians was genocide. Nobody in Turkey denies the killings of Armenians, they only deny that it was a genocide. There are reasons for that opinion.

There are plenty of people in Turkey who deny the killings of Armenians. If Turks say "250,000 Armenians died" then they are denying the killing of at least another million people.

Turkey is so much different from Ottoman Empire. We fighted against Ottoman rule in the War of Independence and we destroyed the Ottoman Empire. That was a revolution. Ottoman was only our origin but we never take that state as a model for us. Sultan and people like Talat Pasha were all exiled from Turkey after our country founded.

After the war we signed treaties with Greece, UK, France and other countries. Ottoman Empire have had foreign debts to several countries and these debts were not repaid. Because of these debts Turkey was accepted as Ottoman Empire's legacy. We have paid these Ottomans' debts until 1960's. But we are not different from Greece or other former Ottoman States. Only the sultans were Turkish but Ottoman Empire have never had a Turkish identity.

As you can see we have to be responsible for the crimes of a country we fighted against and destroyed. This causes mixed feelings in Turkish people. They are angry at people who killed the Armenians but they don't want to be the responsible of a crime done by Ottoman. And they deny it with the help of goverment's and media's comments.

The crime actually continued into the Republican era. It continued as large-scale actual genocide into the 1930s when hundreds of thousands of Armenians were deported to Syria and other countries. It continued long after that by the oppression of the few remaining communities until their extinction, and it continues to this day by your State's denialist policy (note I say "State", not "government" - governments come and go - Turkey's policy of denial has continued regardless of the regime in place).

We are not cruel people. Majority of Turkish people want peace with Armenia. Don't care the extereme-nationalist Turks, they don't represent the majority of Turkish people. I hope you can understand the feelings of Turkish people.

What Turkey should want to attain is peace with itself - with its past and its future. Armenia is of minor importance beyond being a symptom of Turkey's lack of peace with itself.

I am sure Turkey will accept the genocide in the future and the border will be opened.

Those are actually two different issues.

[Deиiz]

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Mert, you dumbfukc. Why did you allow people to make fun of you? You don't get it. Armenians are a NASTY people. And why did you call Atatürk a nationalist in a mocking way? You wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for his genius. You wouldn't be writing on this lame forum. Look at that imbecile british cat. He's not even british, he's scottish and you allowed him to "lecture" you. Mert, fukc off. You're a shame to our nation.

[TomServo]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

Here's Deniz!

[Anahita]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

Hello Armenian friends. I know you are tired of Turks in this forum. You must know that this problem is very important for us. I hope you can understand the mixed feelings of us.

I think the killings of Armenians was genocide. Nobody in Turkey denies the killings of Armenians, they only deny that it was a genocide. There are reasons for that opinion.

Turkey is so much different from Ottoman Empire. We fighted against Ottoman rule in the War of Independence and we destroyed the Ottoman Empire. That was a revolution. Ottoman was only our origin but we never take that state as a model for us. Sultan and people like Talat Pasha were all exiled from Turkey after our country founded.

After the war we signed treaties with Greece, UK, France and other countries. Ottoman Empire have had foreign debts to several countries and these debts were not repaid. Because of these debts Turkey was accepted as Ottoman Empire's legacy. We have paid these Ottomans' debts until 1960's. But we are not different from Greece or other former Ottoman States. Only the sultans were Turkish but Ottoman Empire have never had a Turkish identity.

As you can see we have to be responsible for the crimes of a country we fighted against and destroyed. This causes mixed feelings in Turkish people. They are angry at people who killed the Armenians but they don't want to be the responsible of a crime done by Ottoman. And they deny it with the help of goverment's and media's comments.

We are not cruel people. Majority of Turkish people want peace with Armenia. Don't care the extereme-nationalist Turks, they don't represent the majority of Turkish people. I hope you can understand the feelings of Turkish people.

I am sure Turkey will accept the genocide in the future and the border will be opened.

I appreciate you kindness and compassion. THANK YOU

[Edit: WE can now all talk in a civil and compassionate way about the rest, too.]

[Sip]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

Mert > Deniz.

[Anahita]

Re: Mixed Feelings Of Turkish People

I LOVE people trying to bridge gaps. Bless you working to do that.

ME > hate. ME = Love.

I love anyone working towards peace and understanding.