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  • #11
    Re: Help with Armenian Nouns!

    Originally posted by Trolley
    Thank you so much again! But I have more questions! I'm trying to keep it up as best I can, but you are right about the flexibility of the language, something which I have noticed too...it makes a more colourful language but at the same time is very frustrating for the average learner...I mean, I have moved on to pronouns since I simply couldn't do all those irregular nouns, it was so confusing...

    1. About Ink@, I can only see the forms of the plural declined on the website I am using (nom. acc. gen. Irents, instrumental. irentsov, ablative. irentsits)
    What about the singular of Ink@? Does the declension overlap with "na" - giving acc. iren, for example?

    2. I have "he", na, declined as follows:

    nom. na
    acc. iren
    gen. ir
    dat. iren
    abl. irenits
    instr. irenov
    loc. irenum

    - What are the forms where you use "nran" instead? Does na go with iren, or does na go with nran (like the demonstrative, that, na) and ink@ go with iren?

    I know it's so confusing!

    3. "ayspisiner@, ajdpisiner@ etc." - i mean this: "vorbisi girker unes?"
    "ayspisiner@ [unem]"

    4. So "ayspisi" does not make the noun take the article, like ays?

    ays girk@, but ayspisi girk?


    And finally, what exactly does "hat" mean? I have heard it before from some of my family "kani hat"...

    hima gnum em, vorovhedev aveli shat piti sovorem
    1/2. So, as we said ink@ and na are similar. The declensions for them are what you wrote down: na, iren, ir, iren, irenic, irenov, irenum or "na, nran, nra, nran, nranic, nranov, nranum. Either of the two declensions are fine, just like both na or ink@ are fine.

    However, just as there is a small difference between na or ink@, as I mentioned earlier, there is likewise a small difference between the two declensions above: iren, ir, iren, ... and nran, nra, nran, .... So iren, ir, iren, iranic, ... is the familiar/near case (like this), while nran, nra, nran, nranic, ... is the distant case (like that).

    3. I'd answer to vorpisi grker unes? with "ayspisi". I know what you're trying to accomplish with with ayspisiner@, but to me at least it sounds goofy.

    4. Yeah ays girk@ needs the definite article @, because it's some specific book, this book, while ayspisi girk only talks about this type of book, without talking about a specific book, so you don't need the definite article.

    5. hat means item or piece, as in mi hat or erku hat, etc.. As long as something is an object, animate or inanimate, you can use hat, like mi hat ator, mi hat khndzor, mi hat @nker. Same in asking how many, kani hat.

    I wouldn't use it on things that are not actual objects

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    • #12
      Re: Help with Armenian Nouns!

      Thank you once again, I promise this won't go on forever, I think I'm more than half way through all the grammar. Thanks for clearing up iren/nran for me, it was just confusing because I was always told armenian has 1 word (na) for he/she/it.

      These are just a few quick questions:

      1. I have the following sentence, and I want to express "his [own] mother", would I use a form of ink@ instead? (At the moment does it mean '[some one else's] mother'?):

      na vazets aynpes, vor ir mayr@ chdesav

      2. If "aynkan...vorkan" is "as much as..." is "nuynkan...vorkan" of similar meaning?

      How do we say "as...as" with adjectives "yes ayn sireli em vor du" ?

      3. is there any difference between the three words which mean "eachother":

      'mimyants' / 'irar' / 'mekmeku' ?

      4. How do you express degree of difference - like "yes aynkan(its?) aveli sirun em kan na (nranits)"?

      I think it's really coming together, I'm going to go back to nouns afterwards, but it's making more sense now, thank you so much.

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      • #13
        Re: Help with Armenian Nouns!

        Originally posted by Trolley
        Thank you once again, I promise this won't go on forever, I think I'm more than half way through all the grammar. Thanks for clearing up iren/nran for me, it was just confusing because I was always told armenian has 1 word (na) for he/she/it.

        These are just a few quick questions:

        1. I have the following sentence, and I want to express "his [own] mother", would I use a form of ink@ instead? (At the moment does it mean '[some one else's] mother'?):

        na vazets aynpes, vor ir mayr@ chdesav

        2. If "aynkan...vorkan" is "as much as..." is "nuynkan...vorkan" of similar meaning?

        How do we say "as...as" with adjectives "yes ayn sireli em vor du" ?

        3. is there any difference between the three words which mean "eachother":

        'mimyants' / 'irar' / 'mekmeku' ?

        4. How do you express degree of difference - like "yes aynkan(its?) aveli sirun em kan na (nranits)"?

        I think it's really coming together, I'm going to go back to nouns afterwards, but it's making more sense now, thank you so much.
        1) u can’t use ink@ instead of ir.
        (At the moment does it mean '[some one else's] mother'?): it depends on the context , so that it can mean both the mother of the runner or sb. else’s mom.

        2) It is of similar meaning.
        I’m as beautiful as u : yes kochap sirun em,or yes nuynkan(nuynchap) sirunem vor(kan) du

        3) I’m not sure of this but I ‘ve used them all with the same meaning but at different occasions for ex: mekmeku and irar are more familiar than mimyants which is rather formal.

        4) I’m (much) more beautiful than her. = yes nranits (shat) aveli sirun em


        Hope u got it.

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