Persian, not Armenian

[Jen]

Yesterday I wen't to Fry's Electronics to solve a refund issue. The manager was called to help me. While I was explaning the situation I noticed that his last name was Armenian, so I asked him is he was of Armenian and for my surprise he tells me: "My last name is Armenian, but I'm not Armenian, I'm Persian". I wanted to tell him that before being Persian, he is Armenian. The fact that he was born in another country doesn't mean he needs to deny his family's ancestry...after all, I'm sure that if the genocide didn't happen, he would have probably been born in Armenia, just like most of us. I was really upset with his reply, but I couldn't say anything because he wasn't really willing to help me with my problem and I didn't want to make things worse...

So what are your thoughts about it?

[Fedayeen]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

Lol...well there is not much you can do about people like that, hey we should be at least happy he kept the ian at the end of his last name...


But anyways, if a beautiful Persian lady comes to me and says are you Persian?, obviously i am gonna say yes, because thats the morally right thing to do

[Jen]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

Lol...well there is not much you can do about people like that, hey we should be at least happy he kept the ian at the end of his last name...

What's good in keeping "ian" and saying you're not Armenian? He should have taken the "ian" off of his name...it wouldn't make any difference. But that's not really the point...if we all start denying our ancestry, in a few decades there will be no history left to tell our kids.

Yes, I am Brazilian by birth, but whenever I mention that to someone, I also tell them that my father is Armenian and my mother is Spanish. I am the first generation of Brazilians in the family and really, there isn't much to be proud of, after all, neither my parents nor I have suffered for that country, so I'm Brazilian by chance...

But anyways, if a beautiful Persian lady comes to me and says are you Persian?, obviously i am gonna say yes, because thats the morally right thing to do

Okay, so you meet the Persian lady, things start working out between the 2 of you and what do you do? Keep lying to her about where you come from??? How long do you think you could keep that "piece" of important information from her? (specially you who seems to be very patriotic!)

[Fedayeen]

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Well, really speaking, there are people with 'ian' or 'yan' that are not Armenians...but yes I agree with you whats good is the ian if he denies it...maybe he does not want to change his birth given last name...and so he happens to be Muslim and does want anything to do with Christianity...or being Armenian in that matter. Who knows?

Oh and i know people who are 25% Armenian, who don't know the language and don't look nothing like Armenian, but when i said where they from they mentioned being part Armenian without knowing I was one...so it all depends on the person...but mostly it depends on the parents of the person..

It was a joke but trust me within few min she would find out that i am Armenian or not Persian

[TomServo]

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Many Persians have last names ending in -ian, especially Persian xxxs.

[Jen]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

Many Persians have last names ending in -ian, especially Persian xxxs.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but I don't think it was his case, otherwise he would have said that even though his last name looked Armenian, he was Persian and had no Armenian ancestors.

[friend]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

Yesterday I wen't to Fry's Electronics to solve a refund issue. The manager was called to help me. While I was explaning the situation I noticed that his last name was Armenian, so I asked him is he was of Armenian and for my surprise he tells me: "My last name is Armenian, but I'm not Armenian, I'm Persian". I wanted to tell him that before being Persian, he is Armenian. The fact that he was born in another country doesn't mean he needs to deny his family's ancestry...after all, I'm sure that if the genocide didn't happen, he would have probably been born in Armenia, just like most of us. I was really upset with his reply, but I couldn't say anything because he wasn't really willing to help me with my problem and I didn't want to make things worse...

So what are your thoughts about it?

Lav hema the guy probably doesnet want to be known as an armenina or w\e the reason is what can you do.

[ARK]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

Yesterday I wen't to Fry's Electronics to solve a refund issue. The manager was called to help me. While I was explaning the situation I noticed that his last name was Armenian, so I asked him is he was of Armenian and for my surprise he tells me: "My last name is Armenian, but I'm not Armenian, I'm Persian". I wanted to tell him that before being Persian, he is Armenian. The fact that he was born in another country doesn't mean he needs to deny his family's ancestry...after all, I'm sure that if the genocide didn't happen, he would have probably been born in Armenia, just like most of us. I was really upset with his reply, but I couldn't say anything because he wasn't really willing to help me with my problem and I didn't want to make things worse...

So what are your thoughts about it?

This has been a misunderstanding for sure.

Because in Iran there are a lot of people whose family names end in ian, most of the time you can understand if that person is Armenian or Persian by taking the root of the word for example(some common Iranian names which end in ian) Hashamian, Kazemian, Musavian, Beheshtian,Mohamadian: as you notice in these names the roots hashem, kazem, musav,behasht, mohamad are not Armenian so they are Persian. But surprisingly there are some common family names that even the root of the word does not show if it’s Armenian or Persian (but they are mainly Persian) for example Persians just like Armenians have these family names: Khodabakhshian, Mansurian, khanian, Barkhordarian,Teymourian,Manucherian, Khanlarian, Ismailian and a lot more

Ian belongs to both Armenians and some Persians, but actually it is originally Persian!
I had a Persian friend(her family name was Beheshtian: behesht in Persian means paradise) and she had a visit to Armenia a few years ago and she was surprised that everybody was considering her Armenian as soon as she was pronouncing that ian word!
But in here everybody can tell apart an Armenian from a Persian easily if not by the familyname, by the first name, for sure.

[ARK]

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Yes, I'm aware of that, but I don't think it was his case, otherwise he would have said that even though his last name looked Armenian, he was Persian and had no Armenian ancestors.

Could you tell me what his familyname was ? i'll tell you for sure if he was persian or not.(i know almost all persian-armenian common familynames)

[Ari]

Re: Persian, not Armenian

If he says his Persian, his Persian

You have to accept the way people are