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  • #11
    Re: Jirair Sefilian

    Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
    That's just it, he's not a politican at all. He is a patriot, a brilliant military commander, and a national hero. He was doing his part- putting pressure on autorities not to forget where the limits are.

    What serje was doing, chit chat about returning land, that was politics. Even according to ex-commander of karabakh forces, samvel babayan, serje sarkissian will not go to that. He, too, views such talks only as politics.

    Yeah, we are on the same page on this issue. All I was saying is that Sefilyan should stay out of politics because he is a military man first and foremost, and a pretty damn good one at that. No reason for him to meddle in politics and cause hardships for himself and his kin.
    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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    • #12
      Re: Jirair Sefilian

      Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
      What serje was doing, chit chat about returning land, that was politics. Even according to ex-commander of karabakh forces, samvel babayan, serje sarkissian will not go to that. He, too, views such talks only as politics.
      and time has proven this to be true.

      he should get his citizenship and become a military adviser/trainer.
      B0zkurt Hunter

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      • #13
        Re: Jirair Sefilian

        When an individual is projecting ideas as to how the government/society/country should run
        specially when he is trying to project his ideas to a wider audience that means he is ( or he is dabbling ) in politics.

        Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
        He is a patriot,
        a brilliant military commander, and
        a national hero.
        They are not mutually exclusive.
        He can be all those as well a (bad) polititian.

        Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
        He was doing his part- putting pressure on autorities not to forget where the limits are.
        That is politics!!!


        Originally posted by Artsakh View Post
        What serje was doing, chit chat about returning land, that was politics.
        Even according to ex-commander of karabakh forces, samvel babayan, serje sarkissian will not go to that.
        He, too, views such talks only as politics.
        You cannot tell.
        His biggest mistake was his inability to read his friends (his people) NOR his enemies.

        It was a disastrous bit of politics.
        Enough has been said about that.
        Last edited by londontsi; 06-09-2011, 12:13 AM.
        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        • #14
          Re: Jirair Sefilian

          Hayazn collects signatures to back up Zhirayr Sefilyan’s bid for Armenian citizenship
          June 15, 2011 - 10:57 AMT

          PanARMENIAN.Net - Hayazn youth organization launched collection of signatures in support of granting Armenian citizenship to ex-commander of Shushi battalion, hero of Karabakh war, citizen of Lebanon Zhirayr Sefilyan.

          Hayazn representative Armen Mkrtchyan told journalists on June 15 that Zirayr Sefilyan repeatedly appealed to the authorities of Armenia and Artsakh to grant him citizenship, however they refused. Mkrtchyan also said that on June 10 Zhirayr Sefilyan turned 44, and Hayazn movement activists are going to hold a procession to the President’s residence and hand over the appeal with signatures. He added that they have already collected 4000 signatures.

          Mkrtchyan reminded that their organization, which is not affiliated to any political force, was set up in 2009 with a purpose to bring up patriotic young generation.

          Zhirayr Sefilyan is an Armenian military man and a politician. Colonel lieutenant Sefilyan is the ex-commander of Shushi battalion, hero of Karabakh war, holder of the order “Fighting Cross of the 1st degree”. He also coordinates a public initiative called “In protection of liberated territories” and Armenian Volunteers Union NGO.

          Zhirayr Sefilyan was born to an Armenian family in Beirut. During the civil war in Lebanon, he partook in defense of the Armenian community, was an activist of the Lebanese office of Dashnaktsutyun Party. In 1990, the Party commissioned him to Armenia as a military instructor to train volunteers. In 1991, it was the first time he arrived in Nagorno Karabakh and joined the liberation war. In 1992, he headed a numerous detachment which had a great contribution to liberation of Shushi and which fought till the end of Karabakh war on the most vital segments of the front.

          After the war, he left to Lebanon for two years, and then returned to take leading positions in Defense Army of Nagorno Karabakh. He demobilized in the position of commander of the sixth defense segment. Since 2000, he has been engaged in political activity in Armenia as an oppositionist. On December 10, 2006, he was arrested along with his companion-in-arms Vardan Malkhasyan on accusation of public calls to forced change of the Constitutional Order, and was sentenced to a year and a half in prison for illegal possession of weapon. In June 2008, after serving his term and being set free, he announced plans to continue his political struggle.

          Hayazn collects signatures to back up Zhirayr Sefilyan’s bid for Armenian citizenship
          http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/72514/Hayazn_collects_signatures_to_back_up_Zhirayr_Sefilyans_bid_for_Armenian_citizenship
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          • #15
            Re: Jirair Sefilian

            Jiro marking the 25th anniversary of the Karabakh movement in Hadrut

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            • #16
              Re: Jirair Sefilian

              Originally posted by Federate View Post
              Jiro marking the 25th anniversary of the Karabakh movement in Hadrut

              Did he get his Armenian citizenship after all.

              What a question to have to ask !!!
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • #17
                Re: Jirair Sefilian

                No bro thats actually a good question. Jirayr is a dangerous nut job and a LTP supporter. He doesnt deserve any favors from the government for what he did after the war. being a war hero does not mean he can support Levon and organize armed coup against the government.

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                Did he get his Armenian citizenship after all.

                What a question to have to ask !!!

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                • #18
                  Re: Jirair Sefilian

                  Originally posted by Serjik View Post
                  No bro thats actually a good question. Jirayr is a dangerous nut job and a LTP supporter. He doesnt deserve any favors from the government for what he did after the war. being a war hero does not mean he can support Levon and organize armed coup against the government.

                  I didn't think that was a (dis)qualifying criteria for becoming Armenian citizen.

                  What do we do next, start a campaign to exile all LTP supporters?
                  Last edited by londontsi; 02-13-2013, 05:53 PM.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #19
                    Re: Jirair Sefilian

                    Bro, supporting LTP should qualify him for insane ward or prison but trying to organize an armed rebellion in Yerevan should qualify him for hanging. He did good during the war THANK YOU VERY MUCH Jirair now please get your psycho ass back to burchhamood LOL

                    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                    I didn't think that was a (dis)qualifying criteria for becoming Armenian citizen.

                    What do we do next, start a campaign to exile all LTP supporters?

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                    • #20
                      Re: Jirair Sefilian

                      Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                      I didn't think that was a (dis)qualifying criteria for becoming Armenian citizen.

                      What do we do next, start a campaign to exile all LTP supporters?
                      lol ya, especially since Armenia has such a problem with overpopulation

                      hard to believe that a man like this has to struggle to get his citizenship, while dogs like this piece of sh*t get to run the country.
                      http://jeltok.info/uploads/posts/2010-07/1280488951_sashik-sargsyan.jpg

                      the day this anasoons brains gets splattered on the streets of yerevan will be a great day for armenians everywhere

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