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  • Remember The First Holocaust

    REMEMBER THE FIRST HOLOCAUST


    by Robert Fisk


    "WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on
    the destruction of European Jewry. Precious few, it seems. As the memorial
    day for the Nazi genocide against the Jews was proclaimed by Mr Blair this
    week, there was not a single reference to the slaughter of one and a half
    million Armenian Christians by the Ottoman Turks in 1915. The world's first
    holocaust - and Hitler's inspiration for the slaughter of the Jews - was
    ignored.

    Why, I wonder? Mr Blair did not mention it. President Chirac is frightened
    of the very subject, refusing even to condemn the slaughter when he last
    visited Beirut, where the grandchildren of the victims live in their tens of
    thousands. The United States government prefers to forget the holocaust of
    Armenians, while the Turks - the inheritors of the empire that committed the
    worst atrocities of the First World War - are studiously denying the
    genocide. And we let them get away with it.

    Who, I wonder, chooses which holocaust we should remember and which we
    should not? The six million Jews who were murdered by the Nazis must always
    have a place in our history, our memory, our fears. Never again. But alas,
    the Armenians who perished in the rivers of southern Turkey, who were
    slaughtered in their tens of thousands in the deserts of northern Syria,
    whose wives and daughters were gang-raped and knifed to death by the
    gendarmerie and their Kurdish militiamen - they have no place in our memory
    or our history. Turkey is our friend. Turkey might one day join the European
    Union. Turkey is an ally of Israel.

    History, of course, is a hard taskmaster, veined with inconvenient facts and
    corrupted heroes as well as the massacre of innocents. The Armenian
    community in Turkey had its Allied sympathisers when the Ottoman army was
    fighting the British and French in the First World War, and Armenians also
    fought in the tsarist Russian army against Turkey. But the proof of genocide
    is intact. The Young Turk movement - once a liberal organisation which the
    Armenians had supported - had taken control of the dying empire and adopted
    a "pan-Turkism" which espoused a Turkish-speaking Muslim nation from
    Constantinople to Baku. Within weeks of their victory over the Allies at the
    Dardanelles in 1915, they fell upon the Armenians. Churchill was to refer to
    the "merciless fury" unleashed upon the Christian minority. The US
    ambassador in Constantinople - himself a Jew - wrote heart-wrenching reports
    back to Washington of mass slaughter. Near the Turkish village of Mus,
    hundreds of men were lined up on bridges and shot into the rivers,
    Serb-style.

    Behind the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp in Poland, I was once taken by a camp
    guide to a series of small lakes in which the Nazis dumped the ash of the
    crematoria. Beneath the water and ice lay the powdered white bones of whole
    cities of people. Yet in the north Syrian desert there are still skulls and
    bones in caves and in the clay of river banks. This place of martyrdom is
    visited once a year by the local Armenian community to commemorate their
    holocaust. They even have a holocaust memorial day. Yet I wonder if a single
    non-Armenian reader of The Independent knows what the date is?

    Denial of the holocaust is in some countries a crime. I'm talking, of
    course, about the Jewish Holocaust - because denial of the Armenian
    holocaust is not only perfectly legal, it is big business. No American
    company selling weapons to Turkey will discuss the holocaust of 1915. Chairs
    of Ottoman studies are being funded by the Turkish government at American
    universities in which US academics - who have to prove they have used
    Ottoman archives to get their jobs and thus must never have condemned the
    1915 slaughters - propagate the lie that the Armenians were merely victims
    of "civil war" and that Turks also died in the chaos of 1915.

    Turks did. But not on the Armenian scale. Anyone who was to write that the
    Jews were victims of a European civil war and that, anyway, "Germans also
    died" would be regarded as cracked or a neo-Nazi. Not so if you deny the
    Armenian holocaust.

    Take the following letter, for example: "The myth of the 'Armenian
    Holocaust' was created immediately after World War I with the hope that the
    Armenians could be rewarded for their 'sufferings' with a piece of the
    disintegrating Ottoman state. As such, the main aims of the inventors were
    political and territorial." Now substitute the word Armenian with the word
    Jew. Who would ever get away with a letter about the "myth of the Jewish
    Holocaust" as an invention of Jews who wanted to be rewarded for
    "sufferings" (the quotation marks suggesting their falsity)? Who would ever
    publish such lies?

    But that letter was written about the Armenians. And it was written by a
    Turkish ambassador. In fact - heaven spare us - it was written by Barlas
    Ozener, the Turkish ambassador to Israel. And it was printed, in full, in
    the Jerusalem Post.

    But we Europeans are just as mendacious, if more discreetly so. Take Mr
    Chirac in Beirut. The French Assembly had just condemned the Armenian
    holocaust of 1915 - there are men of principle in French politics. But not
    Chirac. When asked less than two years ago for his views on the resolution,
    he replied: "I do not comment on a matter of domestic (sic) politics when
    I'm abroad." Would that have been his response if the Assembly had just
    denounced the Jewish Holocaust?

    Mr Blair said this week that as the Jewish survivors of the Nazi Holocaust
    "age and become fewer in number, it becomes more and more our duty to take
    up the mantle and tell each new generation what happened and what could
    happen again".

    But there are a few very Armenian survivors left. Why weren't they asked
    this week about their memories? At Musa Dagh and later at Smyrna in 1920,
    British, French and American warships rescued a few of the pitiful Armenian
    survivors of that earlier Holocaust. But Mr Blair was silent this week. And
    silence gives consent.

    I am all for memorial days. Especially one that marks the Jewish Holocaust.
    And especially memorial days for other holocausts. Armenians too. But
    Hitler's ghost can have a little laugh this week. After all, who now
    remembers the Armenians?

    GRAPHIC: An Armenian priest hung in a street in Constantinople in 1915; Topham

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tongue
    "WHO NOW remembers the Armenians?" Hitler asked, just before he embarked on the destruction of European Jewry.
    Correction: The "Who remembers the Armenians?" speech by Hitler was in fact describing his plans for destruction of Polish nation and not European Jewry.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Boubrig
      Why wasn't the title of this thread changed to "REMEMBER THE FIRST GENOCIDE"?
      Why? Because that's the title of the article.. what Robert Fisk decided to name his article.. not my personal preference! The articles you posted in http://www.armeniangenocide.com/foru...ead.php?t=1612 thread didn't even use the word "holocaust" in it.. YOU chose to call it a Holocaust and our forum is currently not accepting any threads that contains the word "Holocaust" for several reasons. Why are you so deeply bothered by it, is interesting to know.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Behcet
        This is false.

        One, the alleged statment is about European Poledom. Two, Hitler didn't say this, even Armenian scholars agree that he didn't.
        What Armenian Scholars? Sources?

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        • #5
          This quote is the English version of the German document handed to Louis P. Lochner in Berlin. It first appeared in Lochner's What About Germany? (New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1942), pp. 1-4. The Nuremberg Tribunal later identified the document as L-3 or Exhibit USA-28. Two other versions of the same document appear in Appendices II and III. For the German original cf. Akten zur Deutschen Auswartigen Politik 1918-1945, Serie D, Band VII, (Baden-Baden, 1956), pp. 171-172.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Behcet
            I already read "where" it originated, you don't have to explain that. That still doesn't change the fact that it is false.

            According to Turks and Dr. John. Others believe the actual source.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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            • #7
              I have posted in detail on this issue - perhaps I will put a link. The quote is accurate and has been extensively verified. Additionally there are a whole range of other very similar quotes by Hitler that proove his awareness of the Armenian genocide and point to his thought process concerning such - which is iterated most clearly in the (Admiral Canaris version - the most detailed) text of the Obersalzberg speeches.

              While the quote specifically was given prior to the invasion of Poland it certainly has direct application to the Holocaust that followed as well as the whole aggressive territorial world war pursued by Germany. Hitler was attempting to encourage ruthlessness of action in his shock troops and assure them that they would suffer no consequences from such. Additionally he was introducing the concept of Lebensraum (Living Space) for the Germans...integral to this concept was the elimination of unwantable populations from areas where Germans were to settle/occupy (and this was a huge imputus for the war and prior related actions against neighboring nations/territories to begin with (Sudentanland etc). Much as the Armenians were inhabiting areas where the Turks wished exclusively for their own - Hitler saw other "lesser" peoples in lands he claimed for Germans. Hitler realized that the Turks had accomplished thier ethnic cleansing of Armenians under the cover of war and that even in defeat they had avoided justice for their crimes. In his speaches of this time he goes on and on introducing concepts akin to "might makes right" and that the outcome will determine the rightness of the actions not the morality of it. So Hitler was hoping to emulate the brutality of the Turks (and their predesceors) and convey to his troops that throguh this they would find sucess for the German people and they needn't worry about retribution or consequences. I would say that the lessons of the Armenian Genocide in WWI were well understood and converyed by Hitler and his meaning and the consequences for both German territorial aggression and ruthlessness against all unwanted peoples of Europe is most clear - and most clearly this lesson was learned by his knowledge and exposure to events surrounding the Armenian Genocide.

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              • #8
                It's funny how according you you denialists, every evidence concerning the Armenian genocide is "false propaganda".. including this one. Why am I not surprised. Maybe it's about time for you guys to WAKE UP and OPEN your eyes and ears see and hear what's going on around you and stop living in your own little three dimensional world and join the rest of the nations- instead of looking for excuses for practically EVERYTHING concerning the genocide. What do you say?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Behcet
                  You do the same. What do you say?
                  Do what?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tongue
                    Why? Because that's the title of the article.. what Robert Fisk decided to name his article.. not my personal preference! The articles you posted in http://www.armeniangenocide.com/foru...ead.php?t=1612 thread didn't even use the word "holocaust" in it.. YOU chose to call it a Holocaust and our forum is currently not accepting any threads that contains the word "Holocaust" for several reasons. Why are you so deeply bothered by it, is interesting to know.
                    This doesn't make any sense. There are many articles as well as historians and scholars that call it the Armenian Holocaust. Am I to understand that no articles that refer to it as the Armenian Holocaust are to be allowed in this forum simply because it contains the word Holocaust? You would do well to remember that it was called Holocaust first and that term was used extensively for a very long time until Lemkin invented the term genocide in the late forties.

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