Julfa

[bell-the-cat]

And sad and pathetic are those - like all those on xxxxxxxx - who are afraid of getting a little cat bite.

[Joseph]

What insults? Or do you define an insult as daring to tell things the way they are. If so - then expect more of the same. Reminds me of what one of the group who went to UNESCO said about my questions directed at Matsura "you were very insulting to him - but he completely deserved it".

Not at all. I appreciate your sharing with us about what occured at the UNESCO meeting and the lack of official Armenian government activity on this issue, etc. You have firsthand knowledge and that is valuable. My problem is what I feel you were trying to insinuate; that Armenians are/were doing nothing.

Despite the amatuerish video produced showing further destruction, there are those of us that tried as hard as we could to do something, anything. Beyond protesting to our governments, the UNESCO, etc. There is not too much Armenians can do regarding Julfa short of the Armenian army taking Nakhichevan back which we know won't happen. I think we all agree that the UNESCO and even the OSCE would like this problem to go away because it complicates whatever agenda they have so again Armenians find themselves spitting in the wind.

Some months back when this final destruction occured, it did make the international news and was picked up by the world press due to Armenian advocacy but has faded for any number of reasons (of which Armenians can be held somehwat culpable do to there resignation that all is lost) but mostly because UNESCO simply doesn't care and the countries they represent would rather brush the problem under the rug than address it and god-forbid, hurt Azerbaijan's feelings.

[bell-the-cat]

Not at all. I appreciate your sharing with us about what occured at the UNESCO meeting and the lack of official Armenian government activity on this issue, etc. You have firsthand knowledge and that is valuable. My problem is what I feel you were trying to insinuate; that Armenians are/were doing nothing.

Despite the amatuerish video produced showing further destruction, there are those of us that tried as hard as we could to do something, anything. Beyond protesting to our governments, the UNESCO, etc. There is not too much Armenians can do regarding Julfa short of the Armenian army taking Nakhichevan back which we know won't happen. I think we all agree that the UNESCO and even the OSCE would like this problem to go away because it complicates whatever agenda they have so again Armenians find themselves spitting in the wind.

Some months back when this final destruction occured, it did make the international news and was picked up by the world press due to Armenian advocacy but has faded for any number of reasons (of which Armenians can be held somehwat culpable do to there resignation that all is lost) but mostly because UNESCO simply doesn't care and the countries they represent would rather brush the problem under the rug than address it and god-forbid, hurt Azerbaijan's feelings.

The way I see it is that Armenians seem to only do things for other Armenians, and are mostly useless at presenting their issues to the wider community.

How many Armenians live in Paris? Tens of thousands at least. Why weren't some of them outside the UNESCO building, picketing it, perhaps throwing rotten tomatos at Matsura's car whenever he arrived or left. Following him to all the numerous dinners and banquets and social events that are so important for someone like Matsura. Do that every day for a week, for a month, even for a year, (and ideally have done it the year BEFORE the final destruction) and THAT would have got into the news and would have forced UNESCO to have done something, to confront the issue.

[Joseph]

The way I see it is that Armenians seem to only do things for other Armenians, and are mostly useless at presenting their issues to the wider community.

How many Armenians live in Paris? Tens of thousands at least. Why weren't some of them outside the UNESCO building, picketing it, perhaps throwing rotten tomatos at Matsura's car whenever he arrived or left. Following him to all the numerous dinners and banquets and social events that are so important for someone like Matsura. Do that every day for a week, for a month, even for a year, (and ideally have done it the year BEFORE the final destruction) and THAT would have got into the news and would have forced UNESCO to have done something, to confront the issue.

Actually, that would have been fantastic.

[bell-the-cat]

Actually, that would have been fantastic.

They have plenty of tomatos in California, I think. And plenty of Armenians too! Why don't they both get together and pay a visit to:

Global Heritage Fund
625 Emerson Street, Suite 200
Palo Alto, California
94301 USA

And start throwing. And don't stop until they get full release of information about what GHF is doing and planning to do at Ani, including the secret consultation document that says Ani is not actually an Armenian site at all.

[chinchilla]

They have plenty of tomatos in California, I think. And plenty of Armenians too! Why don't they both get together and pay a visit to:

Global Heritage Fund
625 Emerson Street, Suite 200
Palo Alto, California
94301 USA

And start throwing. And don't stop until they get full release of information about what GHF is doing and planning to do at Ani, including the secret consultation document that says Ani is not actually an Armenian site at all.

Actually, there is a very well established and growing Armenian community in the San Francisco (Palo Alto) area. The problem is that the Armenians there or even here in Los Angeles will not organize anything themselves - not unless their local Armenian Youth Federation chapter does it for them. I don't know why the AYF (or ARF) hasn't organized a protest for this yet. It would be right up their alley.

[Jade]

They have plenty of tomatos in California, I think. And plenty of Armenians too! Why don't they both get together and pay a visit to:

Global Heritage Fund
625 Emerson Street, Suite 200
Palo Alto, California
94301 USA

And start throwing. And don't stop until they get full release of information about what GHF is doing and planning to do at Ani, including the secret consultation document that says Ani is not actually an Armenian site at all.

It seems that rioting is the way things should be done to get noticed...Everyone loves a "good public spectacle"...Remember the protests in Turkey. They are I believe still on cnn's website. The bitter truth about today's society is that more and more people are relying on TV to inform them about what's happening around the world. Most people won't be bothered to dig around, see what they find. (Unless they are like me ) But everyone watches TV...Imagine the reaction if this was to happen and made it to, say, CNN...there would be hundreds of people who would oppose. Media is a dangerous tool, but it could be beneficial when used to our advantages

[SoSarkissian]

Actually, there is a very well established and growing Armenian community in the San Francisco (Palo Alto) area. The problem is that the Armenians there or even here in Los Angeles will not organize anything themselves - not unless their local Armenian Youth Federation chapter does it for them. I don't know why the AYF (or ARF) hasn't organized a protest for this yet. It would be right up their alley.

True, such things should be organized by ARF (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) - BUT - protests and riots are the last method ARF tend to use because they try to show other aspects while doing any organized act such; Armenians are civilized, Armenians do fight for their rights in manners, logical based debates, fact-based demands, etc.

[bell-the-cat]

It seems that rioting is the way things should be done to get noticed...Everyone loves a "good public spectacle"...

It is written into the French constitution that every French citizen has a right to have one riot a year. Or maybe it isn't - but just seems that way!

[Gavur]

Who are these people?

http://www.landmarksfoundation.org/projects_ani.shtml