Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Belgium had Congo Colony. It was the personnal property of King Leopold II, a very dark person who behaved crually with the Africans for GREED (the industrial booming caoutchouc demand from rubber trees):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Leopold%27s_Ghost

Here is his Letter to Colonial Missionaries, 1883 : http://www.fafich.ufmg.br/~luarnaut/...ssionaries.pdf

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?doc...98088790358593 >> in English ?

This forced labour in Congo was contemporary with Hamidian Massacres :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/6histoire/a_d/19_sultanhamid.htm

I have found two Belgian historical personalities who protested samewise against Turkish and Belgian atrocities :

- Émile Vandervelde (1866-1938) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emile_Vandervelde
- Georges LORAND (1860-1918) http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lorand

Please ask some questions to your African Friends and to specialists of African Studies (written 8-9 years ago): http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...tie/blacks.htm

To follow. Nil (Paris) http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
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Punch 1905. Expert Opinion. Leopold : "Silly fuss they're making about these so-called atrocities in my Congo property". Abdul : "Only talk my dear boy. They won't do anaything. They never touched me !

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/ainconscient/3structures_genocidaires/africanite6.htm

Nil
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Forty Acres and One Mule ? This was the "reparation" to be granted to the new American citizens having been victim of US Slavery. This was not to be granted to the Africans or to the African States.

So today, any protocole between Turkey and Armenia does not regard the 1915 Armenian Genocide. It regards diplomatic, economic relations, good neighberhood, etc, etc... but it can not regard anything to do with 1915 AG. All the more, there is the historical fact that we are the descendents of the survivors of Western Armenians who were subjects of the Ottoman Empire. Eastern Armenia had never been under Ottoman Rule. It had been in the Soviet Union, in the Russian Empire and at the beginning in the Persian Empire for more than 3 centuries.

So if any American journalists or politicians say that, sure, Armenians of Diaspora should be happy with this recent "successfull" protocole between Armenia and Turkey, you can give this exemple of another crime against Humanity. Do you think they will understand ? Without being rude (let them mind their own business), at least they will not be Mr-Know-All.

Meanwhile, we in the diaspora have no time to loose. We have to work to get more and more new allies. The African American community is one of them : http://www.anca.org/press_releases/p...t.php?prid=678

Nil Agopoff (Paris)

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0en/cblacks_armenians/0home_c.htm

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[CRDA-France]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

MSNBC Hosts: Rep. Joe Wilson A White Southern Racist : http://newsbusters.org:80/blogs/kyle...outhern-racist

I hope President Obama will succeed in his social and economical programms sothat he can have a second presidential term. Once he is reelected, he will work on these 3 major problems as he thinks :
- Israel/Palestine
- Iran
- Armenian Genocide which is linked to these two ones.

If good relations with Arab countries and Iran are settled, Turkey will count (very much) less.

I pray President Obama will succeed and he will ! ...if they it does not happen as it happenned with JFK.

Nil (Paris).
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[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Obama is no jfk, but i hope his healthcare plan falls through, its way better then the crap we got now.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

He's no JFK but he's almost like a hybrid of JFK/MLK so I think what CRDA-France meant was "if something tragic doesn't happen to him".

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

Muk your racism discusts me and other forum members so please try to keep it to yourself. Man i hope this guy is fixed.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Enjoying being compared with slaves? LOL
Armenians never were slaves.This thread in my opinion is an offence to the AG.

Racism is inherent to man, but your racism doesn't change the fact that historically, we've been lower than "niggers", we were ottoman raya (cattle) that went to the slaughterhouse. It is better to be prepared for war so that we may never be (raya) again. Insulting blacks doesn't raise our integrity, nor our power.

[Mukuch]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Racism is inherent to man, but your racism doesn't change the fact that historically, we've been lower than "niggers", we were ottoman raya (cattle) that went to the slaughterhouse. It is better to be prepared for war so that we may never be (raya) again. Insulting blacks doesn't raise our integrity, nor our power.

Let me disagree with you. Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle. That why we fought back. And what we do is exactly trying to prove to the world that we were not and we are not cattle. Comparing AG with slavery is proving exactly the contrary.

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian & African-American Communities : An imperceptable genocidal link ?

Let me disagree with you. Turks have considered us as a cattle. But we never were cattle. That why we fought back. And what we do is exactly trying to prove to the world that we were not and we are not cattle. Comparing AG with slavery is proving exactly the contrary.

Of the 1.5 million who died, the majority were cattle who did not know how to fight. If you don't know how to fight, you are cattle, it doesn't matter where you live, what race you are or what sense of "moral honour" you extract from your religion.

If Antranik (one of the few of our leaders then who wasn't deluded by the brand of political secterianism and rivalry that made our resistence and diplomatic correspondence to Europe horribly ineffective) could only muster 200,000 Armenians out of the 2 million (10% of our pop in Turkey at the time) to fight back, there would have been no genocide, and there would not have been a Turkey today as we know it. Instead, he only had 6,000 Fedayeen, and so, Turkish Armenia was utterly annihilated. Then, the Turks inflated this small number into the 200,000 men we should've had, the 200,000 men who would've utterly meant a death sentence to Pan-Turkism right then and there, way before 1918.

We Armenians haven't changed so much since then, as only a minority of us realize this situation and know what must be done to protect our race effectively from future annihilation.