HR106 appears to be crashing hard...

[freakyfreaky]

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Tom Lantos should be embraced by the Armenian community, he demonstrated true leadership regardless of what anyone wants to say about his past flip-flopping and regardless of whether he believes recognition is proper, he obviously believed it was a matter that should be discussed in his committee and brought to the floor. He was courageous.

As leaders in the J-ewish community can exert much emotional influence on individuals. And some call on him often. Maybe, he was trying to free himself of the burden. Either way, he is a hero.

Also, some of the dissenters, especially Rep. Meeks, made valid points that were not based on the old party line for non-recognition/continued denial that were more an opportunity to make a political statement about the reek emanating from the Hill and the need to clean it up before we start wagging our biased finger at others.

Oddly, these statements came after almost every voting politician in DC ran to the floor to condemn the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists as we allow private contractors to do our dirty work in other countries with immunity from those 'sovereign' nations.

[Illuminator]

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And don't forget the j*ws. They've been fighting very hard to keep the Armenian Genocide from being recognized by the US. Btw, I'm truth_seeker from a couple years ago. I got banned along with a few other Armenians, like Anoush, Ann-Frankenstein, Armenian, and others, for being anti-semitic. I was told by the administrator that I would eventually be allowed back and the truth about j*ws would eventually be allowed on this site, but at the moment, anti-semitism would not be allowed. Is the truth about j*ws and how they (the j*ws and the j*wish lobby) waged war on Armenians, as a favor to Turkey finally allowed on this site? It's been a couple of years already.

Anywho, what does this bill have to go through now before it is finally law? Does anyone know what the next steps this resolution needs to go through before it becomes law or whatever?

You mean banned for telling the truth. Good to see an old friend.

[Gunner14]

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You guys are getting ahead of yourselves...

the house passed a similar bill some years ago...

It never made it to the senate floor for a vote.

All this does is raise recognition.

Before a bill becomes law...it has to go through senate, and it would have passed last time, except it was pigeonwholed by the senate leader cant remember who it was at the time... because President mother effin clinton asked for it not to be voted on..even though majority of senate was for it...

and if senate passes it bush can still veto it.

[freakyfreaky]

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This isn't a bill, its a non-binding resolution. Bush cannot even veto it. There is a separate 'resolution' before the Senate. S.R. 106. The resolutions are identical.

[Merv]

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Tom Lantos should be embraced by the Armenian community, he demonstrated true leadership regardless of what anyone wants to say about his past flip-flopping and regardless of whether he believes recognition is proper, he obviously believed it was a matter that should be discussed in his committee and brought to the floor. He was courageous.

As leaders in the J-ewish community can exert much emotional influence on individuals. And some call on him often. Maybe, he was trying to free himself of the burden. Either way, he is a hero.

Also, some of the dissenters, especially Rep. Meeks, made valid points that were not based on the old party line for non-recognition/continued denial that were more an opportunity to make a political statement about the reek emanating from the Hill and the need to clean it up before we start wagging our biased finger at others.

Oddly, these statements came after almost every voting politician in DC ran to the floor to condemn the Revolutionary Guard as terrorists as we allow private contractors to do our dirty work in other countries with immunity from those 'sovereign' nations.

Tom Lantos is definitely not a good guy. He is a Hungarian xxx who escaped the Holocaust, and the engineered the NATO/American attacks on Serbs in 1990s. As a Hungarian xxx, he must know that his neighbors to the south did not collaborate in the Nazi genocide, and were themselves the victims of Croatian genocide in the Jasenovac death camp (700,000+ victims killed there alone). Shame on him (and Albright, a Czech xxx who got refuge in Serbia) for turning on the Serbs and crucifying them so Israel would be out of the spotlight.

However, I am VERY surprised that he voted for the Armenian resolution. Maybe his conscience finally clicked? Or are there a lot of Armenians in San Mateo and San Francisco?

[Azad]

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They are starving. They need Turkey.

Latif, thank you for your kind words and concern. But before you go too far you should worry about turks that are still walking on all four and maybe focus on having an identity yourself instead of dragging Arabic and Asian cultures into Anatolia just like your name indicates it. Best regards.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/images/gene-siblings-l.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/genetic.html

[Merv]

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Latif, thank you for your kind words and concern. But before you go too far you should worry about turks that are still walking on all four and maybe focus on having an identity yourself instead of dragging Arabic and Asian cultures into Anatolia just like your name indicates it. Best regards.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/images/gene-siblings-l.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/allfours/genetic.html

Two very apt quotes, from wikipedia:

According to the book Organised Crime In Europe: Concepts, Patterns and Control Policies in the European Union and Beyond By Cyrille Fijnaut, Letizia Paoli(Published 2004, Springer, pg 206):

The third structural problem had to do with the ethnic hierarchy that prevailed throughout the empire (Ottomon empire). In the Seljuq periods, the authorities viewed Georgians. Iranians and Slavs as the top ranking peoples, and Turks and Turkmens as the lowest. Turkish was a language only to be spoken by people of humble descent, and it is not difficult to find offensive and racist comments in the writings of Seljuq authors: 'Bloodthirsty Turks [...] If they get the chance, they plunder, but as soon as they see the enemy coming, off they run'.' Matters were not much different in the Ottoman period, even though the empire was governed by a small elite at the court, which was Turkish itself. According to Cetin Yetkin, one of the major Turkish authors on the Seljuq and Ottoman periods. 'In the Ottoman Empire, though Turks were a "minority", they did not have the same rights as the other minorities' (Yerkin, 1974: 175). In fact the term 'Turk' was a pejorative. Ottoman historian Naima, who also wrote a book about the Anatolian rebels, uses the following terms for the Turks: Tiirk-i bed-lika (Turk with an ugly face), nadan Turk (ignorant Turk) and eirak-i bi-idrak (Turk who knows nothing).”

and

William Ewart Gladstone former British Prime Minister was quoted in the same book as saying:

“Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in the rudest outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simxply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disapxpeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force as opposed to government by law.—Yet a government by force can not be mainxtained without the aid of an intellectual element.— Hence there grew up, what has been rare in the hisxtory of the world, a kind of tolerance in the midst of cruelty, tyranny and rapine. Much of Christian life was contemptuously left alone and a race of Greeks was attracted to Constantinople which has all along made up, in some degree, the deficiencies of Turkish Islam in the element of mind!”[22]

[Azad]

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However, I am VERY surprised that he voted for the Armenian resolution. Maybe his conscience finally clicked?

Wishful thoughts. Lantos has no conscience. He gets his "conscience" from the Knesset (Semitic word for place of prayer). For years all of the Jacobites have been voting against the Armenian resolution and one day overnight all 7 out of 8 Jacobites voted for the resolution. It is called synchronized swimming. Turkey served their objective it is time to promote the kurds.

[Azad]

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Are you fascist? As your forefathers do? I can understand you.

If not wanting to be a turk classifies me as a "fascist" than I will bear the title with pride.

[Merv]

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Are you fascist? As your forefathers do? I can understand you.

No, I think the comments I quoted are racist, but I do feel that Turks are a defunct culture at the moment. All of the "great Turks" were Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, Armenians, or something else. Their current president, Erdogan is of Georgian background. Gul is of Arab background. You may consider that a society of "tolerance" - but that tolerance largely arose because Turks were incompetent to do anything for centuries, except kill. Sinan was a Greek/Armenian. Mehmed Pasa Sokolovic was a Serb. The Koprulu viziers were Albanians. The Ottoman queens (and their sons, the sultans) were Slavs, Greeks, xxxs, etc. (Kosem (Greek), Safiye (Albanian), Hurrem (Russian), Nur Banu (xxxish) etc.). If the Turks had not been "tolerant" to the Christians/converted Christians the empire would have literally fallen to pieces due to their incompetence.