Treaty of Sevres... can we do anything about it today?

[TurQ]

92109: Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict
Updated December 3, 1996

Carol Migdalovitz
Foreign Affairs and National Defense Division

http://www.fas.org/man/crs/92-109.htm

TurQ:

I must admit I'm pretty clueless about this Azeri deportation from Yerevan. I'm interested in your account or any news articles, documents, or stories about the Azeri deportation. I'd curious to know under what circumstances this deportation occured, how many were deported, and how many, if any, were killed.

[The Kemalist]

Kharpert, you have proved that ya have no idea 'bout what we're talkin' 'bout once more... I respect TurQ's ideas and I'd like a person with fair mom to correct me ya got that!!! If I am wrong my brothers are to correct my faults... U have always been foul creatures since the dawn of time... I am not a racist.. I just want justice in the Middle East and if ya wanna talk, let's talk 'bout it!

The Jews have always been a bunch of bloothirsty mongrels since they were born... If ya want proofs, go to Gazze or Jerusalem and see how the sons of Israel slaughter Muslims! They all whine: "Germans have killed 1.5 million comrades of ours" yet they probably killed more people than the Germans... They excavated the population in Gazze and turned the mosques into synagogues. If we had turned ur places of worship into mosques, how would ya respond? We respect you as a free people and think that ur comrades in Turkey are a part of this nation and cannot be seperated but if ya mess with us, you will end up digging ur own grave...

BTW, the Kurds ARE Turks... If ya think that they aren't, prove it. They appeared in Anatolia in the 1700s (with the help of those foolish Ottomans), they never established a nation, they don't have their own shrines, they don't have their own banner, they don't have their own graves... Most importantly, do they have a history (before they slaughtered Turcomans and Turks alike)? NO? An American friend of mine told me that Saladin was Kurdish!? That's also incorrect because his sons' names were Turan and Ulgen... If ya still insist on the fact that he's Kurdish, you'll also imply that the Kurds are Turanists, which, I think, ya wouldn't wanna imply.

Although I am writing these, I am not an anti-Armenian. Still, there is a chance that we might rise up against imperialism. Now, think that you've conquered Anatolia, do you believe that the Yankees and the Brits are gonna let ya settle there? They are the racist ones! They want the world for themselves and (no offense but) you cannot defeat them alone. What Mustafa Kemal did was incredible and I believe that nobody can be smart enough to defeat the imperialists all alone like he did. If U.S.A conquers Iran, your Southern Border will be threatened. After that, the Armenian Genocide will really happen. You will be erased from the Earth and no one will notice and if ya try to defend ur nation online like me and my brothers do, they will track ya down. That's what happened to my friend Rasim. The Imperialists used U! WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The past is behind us. I am not telling ya that a genocide occured (and I am certainly against it) but what happened shouldn't be discussed (if it is, I will proudly defend my people). That's how the Imperialists camoflage their work. We should be discussing the what's going on NOW. If you're smart enough to understand this, we'll gladly be on ur side.

"The happy one is the one who says 'I am a Turk' "
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[TurQ]

Kemalist

Selahattin Eyyubi is Kurdish. But it doesnt change anything. Kurds and Turks lived togather for centuries, and Selahattin's army was mostly Turkish and I dont think he saw himself different from Seljuki Turks.

I also would like to say the this tone for discussion or the language does not help Turks or Turkish interests. I also hope that you are not a fan of newly flourished Kizil Elma/Ulusalci group in Turkey who are nationalist by words but dont have much clue about Turkish culture and national values. Most of them are like ex-marxists,maoists+some remnants of Greyvolwes(some clqies inside MHP,nationalist action party) and some islamists.

BTW, the Kurds ARE Turks... If ya think that they aren't, prove it. They appeared in Anatolia in the 1700s (with the help of those foolish Ottomans), they never established a nation, they don't have their own shrines, they don't have their own banner, they don't have their own graves... Most importantly, do they have a history (before they slaughtered Turcomans and Turks alike)? NO? An American friend of mine told me that Saladin was Kurdish!? That's also incorrect because his sons' names were Turan and Ulgen... If ya still insist on the fact that he's Kurdish, you'll also imply that the Kurds are Turanists, which, I think, ya wouldn't wanna imply.
"The happy one is the one who says 'I am a Turk' "
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[Kharpert]

[Armenians] have always been foul creatures since the dawn of time... I am not a racist

I invite you to first discover the definition of racism. That statement (among many others you said) are blatently racist.

6 million Jews perished as a result of the Jewish holocaust. Not all Jews support the creation of an Israeli state. Less than 50% of Jews in the world are Zionist. And for every Palestinian killed by an Israeli tank, a Jewish civilian is suicide bombed. If you have a solution to their conflict, then I suggest you tell the United Nations.

I say again, Kurds are not Turks. The Kurds are a middle-eastern ethnic group inhabiting a mountainous area of the Middle-East that includes parts of Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Syria i.e. northern and northeastern Mesopotamia as well as smaller sections of Armenia and Lebanon. Kurds speak the mostly mutually intelligible dialects of the Kurdish language, which belongs to the Iranian language family. The earliest evidence, thus far, of a unified and distinct culture and peoples inhabiting the Kurdish mountains dates back to the Halaf culture of 8,000-7,400 years ago. The modern Kurds are the descendants of many invaders and migrants who settled the region including the Hurrians, Guti, Lullubi, Kurti, Medes, Mards, Carduchi, Gordyene, Adiabene, Mushku, Mannai, Mitanni, Kassites, Zila, and Khaldi.

If we had turned ur places of worship into mosques, how would ya respond?

You did. Turks either turned them into mosques or outright destroyed them. Over 95% out of at least 2200 working Armenian churches accounted for in 1912 by patriarch Ormanian, mentioning location and even priest names, are now destroyed. According to a 1974 UNESCO account, from the 913 monuments still standing after the genocide 464 were totally destroyed, 252 were turned in ruins and 197 needed serious restoration.

You should also step beyond this flight-of-fancy about "imperialism" and come to terms with that fact that America is at war with Iraq and has absolutely no potential of invading Iran for another 100 years. Quit trying to shift the blame to the West. After all, if the United States is the enemy then what is the point of U.S. AID? Armenia is trying to be friends with the West, and it's not worth breaking such alliances over petty conspiracy theories.

[Turanist]

Kharpert
I with you. that Kurds is not Turks. also I agree that 6 millions of Jews died in Holocaust.

it must be said that Turkey saved 15 thousand Jews from France and 100,000 Jews from east Europe http://www.jews-for-allah.org/histor..._holocaust.htm

also Greece had the highest ratio of Jews killed because they do not like Jews and "collaborated with the Nazi's." http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holo...ers/faq_4.html

[imported_Hellektor]

"Azeris" were only delivering cookies to the Armenians...

Hovik
Karabag was fought over since 1918s. When the cold war ended and Soviet states began to get loose, the Armenians looked for ways to recapture the lost Karabag.
DOnt tell me that it is because of the Azeri mis-treatment. It is not the real reason you know it very well. Your words just prove this about KArabag and NAhjivan is a historic mistake, and they had to be *fixed*. It is not the mis-treatment issue. If they had been treated like kings do you think they would agree to stay in Azerbeyjan?

This utter ignorance of you guys is so annoying that one really can't help reminding you for the millionth time that what you are fed as history is fabricated vomit.

A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River NEVER existed before 1918.

A nation called "Azeri" has NEVER existed throughout history.

The region was under Iranian rule for some time, before it fell to the Russians in the 19th century and they became known as Tatars of the Caucasus.

Read the book "Fire and Sword in the Caucasus" by Luigi Villari where you find that the "Azeris" (Tatars back then), were
killing Armenians, which is and has always been a regular Turkish habit.

"The Tartars having no civilization of their own, imitated that of Persia, just as the Turks adopted an imitation of Arab culture."

Slaughter of Armenians in Nakhijevan in 1905 by Tatars who mutated and became "Azeris"




Armenian Church Desecrated in 1905 By Tatars who morphed and became known as "Azeris" after 1918

Armenia has existed since the dawn of history. It's true that because of its geographic situation and the peacefulness of the Armenians and the fact that they are a cultural people, Armenia has always been invaded by the expansionist empires of each epoch.

Artsakh has NEVER been a part of an independent "Azerbaijan". It was handed over in 1921, along with Nakhijevan to the artificially created Frankenstein wolf in the east and they offered Kars, Ardahan and Surmalu to the wolves in the west when the Jew-Tatar Lenin and the Georgian psychopathic monster Stalin bent over and took the Jew-Tatar Kemal's Turkish Delight in their butts.

In 1988 the Armenians demonstrated and demanded the cessation of Artsakh from genocidal "Azeri" yoke. According to Soviet law, they legally demanded to be independent and they voted for it in that era. The break up of the USSR, mainly as a result of the Armenian uprising, caused the other Soviet occupied countries to be rid of that diabolical regime. By then, Artsakh was already free.

Do you think the KArabag bandits who are pretty much influensive in Armenian politics(KOcharyan himself one of them) would ever agree be part of Azerbeyjan?

Your brain-damage is so severe that you do not realize that the descendants of the Aq Quyunlu and Qara Quyunlu, savage, barbaric, nomadic, cattle-herder, tent-dwelling, genocidal bandits are the uninvited, loathed, despised invaders and not the indigenous people.
You are the bandits, do not project, although projection is all you can do, besides killing and destroying.

This goes back to 1915, same scenario wsa played in Van, it is said they are defending themselves thats why they *liberated* city of Van in april 1915, and declared as the *Eternal Capital * of Armenia. What a defense, right before the Russian invasion the city is cleared off the TUrks and Kurds(and Armenians say they left by themselves, may be the rest commited suicide).

The same regurgitated delirious filth all over again. I really don't feel like saying anything, because your obliterated brain cannot understand historic facts.
I only ask you, if the Armenian Genocide was not a state planned crime, then why did you slaughter us in 1870s and 1890s?
A list of about 1000 documents dealing ONLY with the Hamidian genocide of 1894 - 1897

It is not who started first, it is not a multiple choice problem. It was and still is strugle to control land, you and I know this very well, and it now lingers to Georgia. Let's be honest here it is not the mis-treatment thing, and if you would like to talk about mis-treatment you should also talk about the Azeris who were mis-treated by Armenians in Armenia. There's no need to play the innocent victim role.

You can rant and make it sound like you are "intelligent" How many times do we have to take your xxxx and shut up and put up.
If it was not "Azeri" mistreatment, then where are the Armenians of Nakhijevan? Not to mention the entire Armenian heritage in the region that has been completely destroyed in the last few years.

In Artsakh, they "built" "Azeri" villages and towns near water sources and harassed the Armenians. They poisoned the water. When Stalin declared a genocide on religious heritage of the peoples in the USSR, they would destroy Armenian churches, declaring them void of cultural value and would tell Stalin that the job was done.

You disembowel women and crush newborn babies against the wall, and you claim this is not mistreatment? you kill people when they are sleeping, then you declare the coward beast as your "national" hero. Is this delivering ice cream and cookies or an act of genocide and the glorification thereof?

This alone calls for the cessation of negotiations, if not a declaration of war on the fake "Azerbaijan", but the Turkish phallus worshipping Zionist world turns a blind eye and is totally deaf and dumb.

[imported_Hellektor]

You're Fuct!

First of all, I would like to thank my nationalist comrades who know better than slaughtering people...

The might you need is already embedded in your royal blood. (??? H.) (Quote: Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth, fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth, fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth, fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth, fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth, fascist, pan-turkist, disgusting Turkish regurgitated filth...

...Although I believe that the Jews are a pain in the ass (c'mon everybody slaughtered 'em... they must have a reason), I also believe that you Armenians are meant to bite the finger that feed ya.(??? We built your xxxxing "empire", you microbe H.)

...all of your bloodthirsty lords (who are continuing to murder more youthful brothers of ours) will be executed.

...my brothers, wake up, be more like Ziya Gokalp!

As 4 Hellektor, (like da way U said it) you are a racist anti-Turkish son of a xxxxx! U R so narrow-minded, ya only quoted Ixtanbul (no offense, Ixtanbul). Is that the only message ya have read or can't ya answer others?
Regular filthy Turk garbage, regular filthy Turk garbage, regular filthy Turk garbage, regular filthy Turk garbage, regular filthy Turk garbage, regular filthy Turk garbage, ...U, RACIST BASTARD?

...Orhan "the traitor" Pamuk... He is a feeble author who loves to lick his master's feet...

As 4 us, Turks... It'll be foolish 4 U to challenge us. We have proofs, we are the legal owners of our lands ( H.)

P.S: TurQ ,the clash between the Azerbaijani and the Armenians wasn't a massacre, it was a battle between the proud Azerbaijani( You kill us in our sleeop you chickenxxxx barbarians!H.) and the servants of Hincak.

So it seems, it is allowed to cuss using the anonimity of the web.
I won't waste much time for a HCV* like you. I am probably the only one in this forum who wastes hours on posts to show you the truth which your damaged brains are not capable of absorbing.
Your repetitive garbage has been answered a million times, just check my posts. Besides, since you are a Turk and you HAVE to lie, I direct your messed up attention to this post where I made a bet with you and it is you who did not respond.

Response time being over, I guess this means xxxx you and all the members of your species who call Armenia “Eastern Anatolia”.

"As I always say:


"The happy one is the one who says 'I am a Turk!' "
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Wallow in your filthy fantasy, Turk is a four letter word you dumb ass!

Check out the definition number 4

*HCV = Human Culture-deficiency Virus

[Hovik]

I direct your messed up attention to this post where I made a bet with you and it is you who did not respond.

Yeah actually I was waiting to see what they responded. Interesting they can't find a map with the filth printed on it that they claim...I guess it's a case of foot in mouth...

They might come back with a rendition in crayon from their own personal collection - but expecting something credible is out of the question I am sure.

[The Kemalist]

I believe that you Armenians aren't willing to unite... Too bad yet I am not here to make war because I am just an ordinary Kemalist. Kharpert, Kemalism does not involve racism and if you even try to prove the opposite idea, you won't have any good results because a nation with a population of 70.000.000will be opposing you so think before you threaten Kemalism. As for your recent lie about me not knowing the meaning of racism, well, let us see what you know about it and then decide who knows what, alright? For me racism is misjudging people because of their beliefs or nationality. As I wrote before, Turkey is a multi-cultured nation and there are Jews and Armenians (not Kurds, be careful) all around our nation. The Armenians are like Turks economically and are wealthy enough to live, not be a rich jackass (like the "white Turks", the Jews) . As for the Jews, they are the source of our trouble. Before Israel was established, Turkey was their only "Israel"; therefore, they were loyal to Mustafa Kemal and his successors but after Israel was established and sided with the Imperialists, they began to build propoganda centres against our republic and betrayed us in every chance they got (if a Jew does not think or believe likewise and can prove that he's a loyal citizen, he'll earn my deepest respect). If you want me to describe why I hate them so much, then describe why you hate Turks so much and then and only then you'll have a right to speak... It's probably because we slaughtered your acestors, eh? How can a fate brother stab his on the back? Besides, the Ottomans had enough of local non-Turkish rebellions and had no power to deal with another. You'll probably say "your ancesors were well armed and mine weren't"? If you prove me right by saying it, you'll be totally wrong. Have you heard of the Battle of Sarikamis? 30.000 Turkish soldiers died because of the low temperature (I'm talking about -20 C) or pneumonia. The worst part is, they were defeted without causing any depletions in enemy supply depots. They had to exchange clothes so Enver Pasha wouldn't see the situation they're in. After WWI, my ancestors were disbanded, tortured, or captured to serve in the enemy's armies. How can that army massacre 1.5 million people without a reason? They wouldn't be able to massacre them even if they wanted to. I am not saying that we didn't kill any Armenians, I am saying that we didn't MASSACRE any Armenians. You were fully armed by the British and the Russians and were threatening our Eastern borders. We had to fight you. If there were a similar situation wouldn't you be fighting against us? Besides we fought with your army, you didn't fight with ours. Nevertheless, we shouldn't be discussing this part because the Yankees are moving as we speak. Our objective must be the same: Get the Imperialists out of Middle East. Unlike last time, please read these notes because they have more worth than our mindless discussions about whether there was a genocide or not. Read this part and then try to invent lies to call me a racist, you got that?

As for TurQ, you may be correct about Saladin (or Salahaddin Eyyubi) being Kurdish and as you said before, it doesn't make a difference (I have not read anything about it but I would like to if you send me any websites to prove your point. Don't get me wrong, that's a serious question). To answer your question, I am not a part of those "dividing" groups because we are all Turks and we have to unite under one banner if we are to defeat Imperialism like we did seventy years ago (I am not a Turanist but I respect them (I believe that we first have to save ourselves before helping our brothers in the east)i f you think that I'm trying to imply something by saying "uniting under one banner") I am just trying to defend my nation against the real racist and terrorist nations such as the United States (the genocide of the American Indians is not forgettable), the United Kingdom, Israel, France, Germany (the Jews are traitors but 7 million? They are truly barbarians) the Federal State of Iraq, Afghanistan (for being such an American slave after the rebellion against the Soviets (I am not left sided). Even the Taliban and Usame Ben Laden were American slaves), Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Lebnon and so on. We don't have any "minor" nationalities because we are all citizens of this beautiful nation and our ancestors (including the non-Muslims) have helped establish this nation either economically or by sacrifices. Like Ataturk implied, we are Turks if we believe that we are. We are not "of Turkey", we are Turks and if the EU has a problem with it, they can kiss these heaven of a nation goodbye because even the lowest Turk wouldn't sell his dignity for money like they do. (this has nothing to do with you ,Armenians)

By the way, the first picture Hellektor used is from Turkish Files and is about the slaughtered TURKS in Igdir. Stop using fake pictures and cease these mindless discussions. We have to foil Imperialism... Let's unite!

"The happy one is the one who says 'I am a Turk' "
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

[Kharpert]

Not once have I said that I hate Turks. You, on the other hand, called Armenians and Jews scum and worthy of slaughter, and you have no idea what a Kurd is, which I told you in a previous post. The definition of racism isn't what YOU think it is. Any Merriam-Webster dictionary will tell you that racism is discrimination or prejudice based on race. So don't call other ethnicities or races "a pain in the ass" or "scum" ever again, if you value your membership on these forums.

Your supposed history of the Armenian Genocide is so warped and contradictory that I can't find any credible articles or sources to verify it. On the other hand, you can easily find my version of the history written by professionals and intellectuals here, here, and even here among many other places. Read the history before you say something stupid. Here's a tip: 1915 occured during World War I, so I highly doubt that Russia and Britian were wasting their money by giving guns to xxxxing Armenian peasants. "Hmmmh...we're in the middle of the biggest war history has seen. What should we do?" "Ooh! Let's give guns to random Armenian peasants in Turkey! That's a smart idea!". The rest of your post needs no explanation; my answers are clearly listed in the links I provided.

Also, guess what. These "Yankees" that you speak of...I'm one of them. I can tell you, as an American, that this "imperialist" danger conspiracy theory that you have is absolutely full of crap, and if you don't believe me you ought to read the news every once in a while to understand what's going on in the world. If you want to "fight the Yankees" you're going to be all alone, because you're fighting an "imperialist enemy" that only exists in your head.

And if Hellektor's picture hasn't impressed you take a look at the Armenian Genocide pictures thread.