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  • #661
    Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

    Hasan Cemal shares Armenians` pain


    April 04, 2011 | 00:41

    Hasan Cemal, author, journalist and columnist of the Milliyet Newspaper, and also the grandson of Cemal Pasha, one of the masterminds behind the Armenian Genocide, took part in an event entitled "From Der Zor to Dzidzernagapert", which was held in Los Angeles, March 31. The presentation featured two discussants, the first of which is Richard Hovannisian, Professor of Armenian and Near Eastern History and Chair of the Armenian Educational Foundation in Modern Armenian History at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). The second is Dr. Pamela Steiner, Director of the Inter-Communal Trust-Building Project; Fellow, FXB Center, Harvard School of Public Health & Affiliate, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative. She is also the great granddaughter of Henry Morgenthau, US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire.

    Hasan Cemal shared his impressions in an article entitled "What will Cemal`s grandson say?" In entering the hall he heard a person asking why the grandson of their grandfathers` murderer had been invited.

    "I am not going to enjoy an evening party here. But I say I have brought greetings to you from Anatolia. Our roots stem from the same sources. I am well aware of your pain and share it. I have come here to extend my hand to Armenian young people. However, we must not allow pain and torture to block the way to reconciliation," Hasan Cemal said.

    During his speech he uttered the word "genocide" several times. One of the attendees asked him if he was not afraid to do so. "I showed him a brochure of the conference with me pictured laying flowers at the Memorial to the Armenian Genocide in Yerevan three years before," Cemal wrote.

    In September 2008, Hasan Cemal visited Tsitsernakaberd and laid flowers. On April 24, 2010, he wrote that denying the Armenian Genocide was tantamount to being an accomplice to that crime against humanity.
    Cemal Pasha, one of the three masterminds behind the Armenian Genocide, was assassinated in 1922 in Tbilisi by Stepan Dzaghigian.

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    • #662
      Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

      Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
      Hasan Cemal shares Armenians` pain


      April 04, 2011 | 00:41

      Hasan Cemal, author, journalist and columnist of the Milliyet Newspaper, and also the grandson of Cemal Pasha, one of the masterminds behind the Armenian Genocide, took part in an event entitled "From Der Zor to Dzidzernagapert", which was held in Los Angeles, March 31. The presentation featured two discussants, the first of which is Richard Hovannisian, Professor of Armenian and Near Eastern History and Chair of the Armenian Educational Foundation in Modern Armenian History at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). The second is Dr. Pamela Steiner, Director of the Inter-Communal Trust-Building Project; Fellow, FXB Center, Harvard School of Public Health & Affiliate, Harvard Humanitarian Initiative. She is also the great granddaughter of Henry Morgenthau, US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire.

      Hasan Cemal shared his impressions in an article entitled "What will Cemal`s grandson say?" In entering the hall he heard a person asking why the grandson of their grandfathers` murderer had been invited.

      "I am not going to enjoy an evening party here. But I say I have brought greetings to you from Anatolia. Our roots stem from the same sources. I am well aware of your pain and share it. I have come here to extend my hand to Armenian young people. However, we must not allow pain and torture to block the way to reconciliation," Hasan Cemal said.

      During his speech he uttered the word "genocide" several times. One of the attendees asked him if he was not afraid to do so. "I showed him a brochure of the conference with me pictured laying flowers at the Memorial to the Armenian Genocide in Yerevan three years before," Cemal wrote.

      In September 2008, Hasan Cemal visited Tsitsernakaberd and laid flowers. On April 24, 2010, he wrote that denying the Armenian Genocide was tantamount to being an accomplice to that crime against humanity.
      Cemal Pasha, one of the three masterminds behind the Armenian Genocide, was assassinated in 1922 in Tbilisi by Stepan Dzaghigian.

      Dear Mukuch,

      thank you so much for this interesting information I would never believe that one day the granson of the massmurder Cemal Pasha will say this words which you already wrote.

      "I am not going to enjoy an evening party here. But I say I have brought greetings to you from Anatolia. Our roots stem from the same sources. I am well aware of your pain and share it. I have come here to extend my hand to Armenian young people. However, we must not allow pain and torture to block the way to reconciliation," Hasan Cemal said.


      I am indeed positivly surprised ...

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      • #663
        Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

        Originally posted by Hayayrun View Post

        thank you so much for this interesting information I would never believe that one day the granson of the massmurder Cemal Pasha will say this words which you already wrote.
        Try and find out a “crime” or a bad deed of your grandfather.
        Then say to yourself or to the victim that you are sorry, see how easy, hollow and meaningless it sounds.
        No different than saying sorry for a crime committed by your neighbour.
        "I am not going to enjoy an evening party here.
        So sorry for you.
        But I say I have brought greetings to you from Anatolia.
        From whom, those who are living on our lands?
        Our roots stem from the same sources.
        Our roots are not the same. We Armenian you are Turks.
        A bit of education would have sorted that one out.


        I am well aware of your pain and share it.
        Do you really?
        As an experiment try to “share” the pain of J.ws vis-a-vi their holocaust. See how much pain you feel.


        I have come here to extend my hand to Armenian young people.
        Why only the young? Do the old have too much historical luggage with them.

        However, we must not allow pain and torture to block the way to reconciliation," Hasan Cemal said.
        I thought we would come to this.
        Classic Turkish policy. Deny first, if it does not work try to make them forget it.
        Of course with reconciliation they get forgiveness in the package with no retribution.

        Originally posted by Hayayrun View Post
        I am indeed positivly surprised ...
        I am NOT.
        You are easily charmed by the snake, forgetting its venom.
        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        • #664
          Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

          Dear londontsi,

          you wrote to me: "You are easily charmed by the snake, forgetting its venom." Of course not dear lonontsi.

          You detected me, because, when I wrote "I am indeed positivly surprised" I mean it sarcastic I hate turks and execrate them for ever.

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          • #665
            Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

            Originally posted by Hayayrun View Post
            Dear londontsi,

            you wrote to me: "You are easily charmed by the snake, forgetting its venom." Of course not dear lonontsi.

            You detected me, because, when I wrote "I am indeed positivly surprised" I mean it sarcastic I hate turks and execrate them for ever.
            I understand.
            Although this is an old story, I can see it being spanned as something significant.
            I really think it has no “historical” value except some front news on the day.

            What I fear is “news” such as these have the effect of trivializing the long term battle of the “Hye Tad”
            and soften its aim.
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • #666
              Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

              Originally posted by Hayayrun View Post
              Dear londontsi,

              you wrote to me: "You are easily charmed by the snake, forgetting its venom." Of course not dear lonontsi.

              You detected me, because, when I wrote "I am indeed positivly surprised" I mean it sarcastic I hate turks and execrate them for ever.
              Turkey move on, moves upward, makes itself useful to the world. Armenia dig itself a hole and just sits in it, and each year digs the hole a little bit deeper. No wonder nobody cares for you - the hole is so deep they can't even see you anymore. And anyone approaching the hole to look down gets a stone thrown up at them.
              Plenipotentiary meow!

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              • #667
                Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                Turkey move on, moves upward, makes itself useful to the world. Armenia dig itself a hole and just sits in it, and each year digs the hole a little bit deeper. No wonder nobody cares for you - the hole is so deep they can't even see you anymore. And anyone approaching the hole to look down gets a stone thrown up at them.

                Remember the wise words of British Prime Minister of a bygone era Harold Wilson.

                "One week is a long time in Politics".

                If you think the world will settle down into a final mould, you are living in dream cuckoo land.

                You wait until the Muslim revival ( revolutions ) already underway.

                With their power of geography, demography, oil and money will shape many things.

                American & European strategists will be burning the midnight candle thinking “what shall we do now, what can we do now”.
                I would love to see what role will they allocate to Turkey.

                Lapdog of the west or leader of the new enlightenment.
                Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                • #668
                  Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                  Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                  Remember the wise words of British Prime Minister of a bygone era Harold Wilson.

                  "One week is a long time in Politics".

                  If you think the world will settle down into a final mould, you are living in dream cuckoo land.

                  You wait until the Muslim revival ( revolutions ) already underway.

                  With their power of geography, demography, oil and money will shape many things.

                  American & European strategists will be burning the midnight candle thinking “what shall we do now, what can we do now”.
                  I would love to see what role will they allocate to Turkey.

                  Lapdog of the west or leader of the new enlightenment.
                  What has the above got to do with a reply given to a person who, when told of a Turk who wrote that "denying the Armenian Genocide was tantamount to being an accomplice to that crime against humanity" responded by stating "I hate turks and execrate them for ever"?
                  Plenipotentiary meow!

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                  • #669
                    Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                    Turkey move on, moves upward, makes itself useful to the world. Armenia dig itself a hole and just sits in it, and each year digs the hole a little bit deeper. No wonder nobody cares for you - the hole is so deep they can't even see you anymore. And anyone approaching the hole to look down gets a stone thrown up at them.
                    Obviously you care, because you will not gtfo of this forum! Shove the anti-Armenianism!
                    For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                    to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                    http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                    • #670
                      Re: Can Turkey Learn Tolerance?

                      Originally posted by Armanen View Post
                      Obviously you care, because you will not gtfo of this forum! Shove the anti-Armenianism!
                      Armanen throws up a stone from inside that hole. More a pebble really.
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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