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Originally posted by TurkishG
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Is this 'response' (if you can call it that) the only opinion we are going to see in response to Maral's post #179 in this thread ? I find it interesting that more Turks don't have something to say about events like these. Especially since UK is far more pro-Turkish than most other EU countries! It is a major blow to Turkish denial tactics and propaganda, so please Turkish members, share with us your thoughts now that you have realized the blue book cannot be stricken from the record for 'political purposes'? -
I have done a rather detailed analysis of McCarthy's populations figures in Muslims and Minorities - many years back (over 5 years ago in any case)...it may alredy be incorporated in Fadix's analysis (though he has called up a number of very interesting sources that discredit McCarthy's methodologies much beyond what I was able to do). I can post my analysis in a seperate thread if there is any interest (It is quite damning enough I think...)Originally posted by phantomComment
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Yes, what are you waiting for!Originally posted by 1.5 millionComment
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Well they have done the right thing with the Blue Book, with not recognizing Northern Cyprus...Originally posted by Turanist
As far as Karabagh, not even Armenia recognizes it formally - but that may change soon...
I cannot say anything about highland Scottish clearances...
You are wrong about Britain not recognizing the Irish Potato famine - Blair recognized it last year. Which is a perfect example to Armenians that it may take many decades for recogntion but someone who has a consience and isn't poisoned by his/her governments propaganda will eventually take Turkey to recognition. But Britain finally HAS recognized the Irish Potatoe Famine although it took over a century...
It definately says something when a pro-Turkish body like Britain rejects a Turkish request like this... if you deny that, you're simply in denial...
And almost simultaneously the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel on behalf of the Jewish religious community of Israel recognized the Armenian Genocide despite the fact that his government is perhaps Turkey's strongest ally REALLY is evidence that Turkey's denial days are numbered...
Don't you see the importance of these two events (especially from these two countries - as allies of Turkey)?
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I stand corrected on my spelling... thanks...Originally posted by Turanistoops I didn't realise that Britian - you spelt Britain wrong Britain isnt Armenian name
recognised the potato famine. Highland clearences is when British were killing the Scotish in highland mountains. They even deported so many of them to USA and Canada.
IF these two events dont stop united Turan then Im happy.
But i think Turkey has not taken note. international pressure is not strong on Turkey to make Turkey change mind. no one can change Turkeys mind even in Iraqi war the USA want to use Turkey to invade Iraq but Turkey said no.
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Turanist hamar
Turanist,
I have posted below for you a quote from Thomas O'Dwyer's article (posted by Tongue) entitled "Nothing Personal / Among the Deniers" (Please read the FULL TEXT HERE)
"The British for many decades denied responsibility for the Irish potato famine that killed an estimated two million people and sent another two million into exile - because it was a natural disaster - although history recorded full well that the British were taking convoys of food out of Ireland under armed guard. It took Tony Blair to admit responsibility 150 years later, and apologize, to lay the shame to rest."
Thomas O'Dwyer
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I make mistake okey. why you rub in my face.
you also call Qarabax like Karabagh.
also you call Britain pro-Turkish body? if they pro-Turkish why not recognise independence of Northern Cyprus. Also why not allow them to have trade and why is Britain making Northen Cyprus in isolation.
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Don't be so childish. When I made a mistake you rubbed it in my face (spelling of all things) and I apologized. What you did, I wouldn't even necessarily call a mistake - you simply didn't realize that Britain has recognized the Potato Famine, so I SIMPLY showed you where you could read more about it - I never rubbed anything in your face, you need to settle down. If you expect to come in this forum and have everyones spelling perfect, and have nobody try to be helpful to others then you might as well leave - you won't get very far here.Originally posted by Turanist I make mistake okey. why you rub in my face.
Here you go again with spelling although this time I will not apologize, you're being near-sighted. There is little or no difference in the pronounciation between the spellings "Q" or "K", so get over yourself. The "X" at the end instead of "GH" or some other variation showes that you either have a Russian background or learned how to spell this word from a Russian since their "gh" sound uses a letter "x". Mostly Azerbaijan and other Russian speaking countries spell it the way you are, the rest of the world has wide variations in spelling, but all or none of them are spelled without the use of "Q" or "X". For example, some official Karabagh sites that don't use "Q" or "X":Originally posted by Turanist
Some more:
But putting all that aside why don't I just call it by its real name: ARTSAKH (got a problem with it, lets see you try to give me a lesson in the Armenian Language)...
For the life of me I can't figure out why I'm even wasting my time with you. I don't think either one of us is wrong. Some people spell it with a "Q" and "X", some with a "K and "GH" or "KH", and some with some entirely different variations of the same name. The point is that we are all talking abou the same place, I understand that and you understand that, so why are you trying to make mountains out of molehills? We're both right! What does it matter? We have a lot bigger issues to deal with in this forum than spelling so GET OVER IT!
They are pro-Turkish, if you don't know that you might want to go and do a little more homework before coming back to post in the forum.Originally posted by Turanist
Most countries know that Turks don't belong (as independent) in N. Cyprus, and will not support it for this reason (I believe Britain is one of them). But even if these countries did support it's independence they still would not recognize it for political reasons - the same reason they don't recognize ARTSAKH, S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, etc. If you don't understand these things you aren't going to have a very good experience in this forum, especially since you are aggressive towards people.
I believe that is what you are doing, but I won't say anything to try to help you since you are a rude unappreciative individual...Originally posted by Turanist
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that is wrong representations. i point out your mistake. that is all. i didnt make further comment that you spell Britain like Britian. you did because Armenian name is like ian at the end you must writing lots of Armenian but it is ok we all make mistakeOriginally posted by Hovik
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but you point out my mistake. then showing me extras evidences like you think i not take your word. if i must make first move for forgiveness then i see that i misunderstand the situation.
Azerbaijan spells it like QARABAX it is not Russian. and you posting Armenian websites for Azerbaijan territory and you call them official. and you expecting people to believe you?Here you go again with spelling although this time I will not apologize, you're being near-sighted. There is little or no difference in the pronounciation between the spellings "Q" or "K", so get over yourself. The "X" at the end instead of "GH" or some other variation showes that you either have a Russian background or learned how to spell this word from a Russian since their "gh" sound uses a letter "x". Mostly Azerbaijan and other Russian speaking countries spell it the way you are, the rest of the world has wide variations in spelling, but all or none of them are spelled without the use of "Q" or "X". For example, some official Karabagh sites that don't use "Q" or "X":
http://www.nkr.am/eng/
http://www.nkrusa.org/
http://www.armeniaforeignministry.co..._karabagh.html
Some more:
http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armeni.../karabagh.html
http://www.pilotguides.com/community...o_karabagh.php
http://www.armenstamp.com/
But putting all that aside why don't I just call it by its real name: ARTSAKH (got a problem with it, lets see you try to give me a lesson in the Armenian Language)...
For the life of me I can't figure out why I'm even wasting my time with you. I don't think either one of us is wrong. Some people spell it with a "Q" and "X", some with a "K and "GH" or "KH", and some with some entirely different variations of the same name. The point is that we are all talking abou the same place, I understand that and you understand that, so why are you trying to make mountains out of molehills? We're both right! What does it matter? We have a lot bigger issues to deal with in this forum than spelling so GET OVER IT!
but i agree that different peoples spell different places different. we spell your capital Erivan.
They are pro-Turkish, if you don't know that you might want to go and do a little more homework before coming back to post in the forum.
Most countries know that Turks don't belong (as independent) in N. Cyprus, and will not support it for this reason (I believe Britain is one of them). But even if these countries did support it's independence they still would not recognize it for political reasons - the same reason they don't recognize ARTSAKH, S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, etc. If you don't understand these things you aren't going to have a very good experience in this forum, especially since you are aggressive towards people.
you are wrong. Greeks did a Turkish genocide in Cyprus. we have proofs! Greeks in Cyprus want to kill all Turks so they can join with Greece! we will win in Cyprus dont you need to worry about that. Britain remind of two face. they know what happened in Cyprus. but they want to keep military base in Cyprus.
i am not rude. i just misunderstanding the situation. do you want me to apolojy.I believe that is what you are doing, but I won't say anything to try to help you since you are a rude unappreciative individual...
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We have an expert on Persian proverbs!
That Turks just love the Twist is out of the question.Originally posted by Turanist
That they will use any similarities between a word in another language to rewrite history is also well known. The best example is the "Turanian" fallacy.
In Iranian mythology, Fereidun has three sons: Iraj (Aria), Tur and Salm (Sayrima). Salm received Rum (Rome, the West). Tur received the East. Iraj received Iran.
It is supposed that Iranians are descendants of Iraj, Turanians come from Tur and the westerners are from Salm. All these peoples are of Iranian origin.
The Turanians were the Iranian peoples of the north east of Iran, who were less developed, had a nomadic way of life unlike the civilized Iranians and had a different religion.
The Iranians and the Turanians were always engaged in war, pictured beautifully in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh.
Of course, by the conquest of Central Asia by the savage ancestors of the Turks, the Tu Kiu, the demography of the area changed in favor of the Turks.
Abusing the similarity between Turk and Turan, the Turks have also usurped the word Turanian (just with the rest of the universe) and have undeservedly attributed it to themselves.
Oh, the proverb. This is a totally obscure saying, only the part "Farsi shekar ast" = Farsi is sweet, is used to praise the beautiful Persian language.
The part "Torki honar ast" = Turkish is an art, means speaking Turkish is so difficult (for the writer of this saying that is), that it's an art to learn and articulate it. It does not mean that the harsh Turkish language is more beautiful than Farsi. Would a speaker of Farsi claim such rubbish?Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:
I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
IV. They shut up and say nothing.
[URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]Comment
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