Armenia?

[tevfik fikret]

turq..igronarance is what the armenians are doing..learn it

[maral_m79]

im against eu...beacuse i hate europeans and chrisitians..i also hate people in turkey who suppport eu..by the way im not a islam fanatic,just a muslim

Of course, you can't help it... If a country is based on a culture and heritage of hate and blood like Turkey , each and everyone, hate each and everything .... That's normal . No one blame you kid, don't worry we understand the psychological problems of one's like you.

[maral_m79]

LooooooooooooL. I dunno you claim that Sevres is Valid. Heres what Vahan M. Kurkjian an Armenian had to say.

"It is a known fact that Khatisian signed the Alexandropol treaty, which can be summarized as follows:
"Turkey recognizes the independence of Armenia; the Armenians yield their rights in the Sèvres Treaty (that is to say the cause of Turkish Armenia); the Akhourian river will be the boundary between the two countries; military service will not be compulsory; the gendarmerie will be responsible for internal security; Turkey will defend Armenia against attack; Sharour and Nakhitchevan will be autonomous territories under Turkish protection," etc.

Except one little detail you missed there my firend. Armenia DID NOT sign that, and until this moment as we speak, the Republic of Armenia DO NOT recognize your so-called eastern boarders.

[TurQ]

Meral
As Proffessor Gerard LIbaridian points out very well, if Armenia does not recognize the (so-called)Turkish borders, they(Armenians) should not expect Turkey to recognize it as well.

And In my opinion as Armenia and Diasporan Armenians insist on not to recognize *so-called* eastern Turkish borders, it makes no sense for them agonizing over Turkey's decision to close it. I believe in open borders but Armenians should give Turkey a reason to open up the border.

As I said before certain diasporan groups/leaders do not want to solve problems, they want it as complicated as possible. Border issue is one of them.

YOu have to understand it. Refuse to recognize border + asking implementation of Sevres treaty = I want trouble with Turkey. These are the closed/finalized issues. If not we'll go back to deal with 1915s problems on and on. This land issue brought us to the events of 1915. Armenians and Turks rejected to live in one land. Suprisingly Armenians still insist Eastern Anatolia belongs to them, noone else, just becasue they were living there since 5000 something years. If you insist on exluding others' right, you should have to accept its results.

What we need is the opposite Meral. I understand your frustration and anger, but the realities and interests of both sides are equally important.

The rebel leaders like Antranik or Dro acted selfishly like this, they carried whole Armenian nation into fire. They said Erzurum, Mush Tranzon are for Armenians only, you Turks can go to hell. These were irrispobsible acts first to Armenian nation then to all peoples living in Eastern Anatolia and Caucusia.

Except one little detail you missed there my firend. Armenia DID NOT sign that, and until this moment as we speak, the Republic of Armenia DO NOT recognize your so-called eastern boarders.

[TurQ]

TurkishG

what they say is, the Soviet Armenia cannot represent Armenian decision. SO they dont recognize. They recognize the Armenian state declared after the 14th April 1915 rebellion in city of Van. They declared an independent state and declared Van its capital. This state later recognized by western powers and given land to that state in Sevres treaty, later abolished by the same countries. Turks say the representatives of the Sultan did not actually represented Turkish nation. Sultan Vahdettin did not autorize them to sign such an agreement, he wanted them to delay any further invasion. Sultan Vahdettin remained powerless, Damat Ferit's government was the puppet that were eager to remain loyal to occupation.

The odds is the western powers were fighting against Turkish soldiers who were not under the control of IStanbul government(and Istanbul Government had only symbolic force). That signiture had no meaning, the war was going on in the field, the parties who were fighting were still fighting. This treaty was meaningless from the beginning. The Sultan himself supported the underground resistence against the occupation, and asked all groups to remain loyal to Mustafa Kemal's army.

Armenia's situation was different, they were totally controlled by Soviet's there were no seperate Armenian power left. There was no other Armenian force left outside of Soviet Armenia's control.

I think it is time for Armenians to accept the fact that they played with the wrong party, the Russians.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/fromthearc...378116,00.html
"The Armenian delegation, with M. Khatissian as president, proceeds to Alexandropol in a few days to begin peace negotiations."

I'm not an expert on names but Khatissian sounds a tad bit Armenian to me? Or maybe I'm mistaken.

[1.5 million]

Very little of the discussion in this thread has anything to do with reality.

[phantom]

ha ha why u want to ban Tefvik Fikret I think(not only me other Turks in forum) Tevfik a good answer machine against ur idea

Actually, I've changed my mind about banning Tefvik. His wack opinions certainly don't do us any harm. If I were you, though, I would not want this guy as my spokesman.

[cosmos]

Actually, I've changed my mind about banning Tefvik. His wack opinions certainly don't do us any harm. If I were you, though, I would not want this guy as my spokesman.

In addition, Moderators, let these guys remain here. They are so funny and sometimes make me laugh too much, especially kemal1915 (I'll xxxx on my pants because of laughing).

[elendil]

Except one little detail you missed there my firend. Armenia DID NOT sign that, and until this moment as we speak, the Republic of Armenia DO NOT recognize your so-called eastern boarders.

Expect Armenia everyone does. I think the state of Armenia rather keeps this issue of not recognizing borders to satisfy the inner protests about "so called western Armenia" and also to keep a bargaining condition in case of negotiations with Turkey about border-opening. Aside from politics today both Armenia and Turkey knows where the borders of Turkey and Armenia end I suppose. Though a few diaspora idealists like Maral is still claiming that they will get those lands back , which are colonized totally by Kurdish and Turkish population today, the sensible people could easily see that arguing on borders of Turkey does not hurt Turkey and Turks but rather Armenia and Armenians.

[kemal1915]

In addition, Moderators, let these guys remain here. They are so funny and sometimes make me laugh too much, especially kemal1915 (I'll xxxx on my pants because of laughing).

go on to laugh then maybe u are suffocated in ur xxxx.is that funny