Turkish View of Themselves

[Hovik]

yes exactly you are right Turanist... Turan is not utopia or ideology.Turan is heritage of our history

haha, but our Western Armenian homeland which was unjustly taken from us IS utopia or ideology?

Do we not have pre-Turk, pre-Ottoman history and heritage on that land?

You two are so precious!

[1.5 million]

hehe American think he knows the world. you cant have a say on other people countries. get that into your soda pop brain. why dont ya get an egg plant and stick it where the sun dont shine .

also i believing your girl is not good at the giving for you the pleasure . maybe that is why you is the stuck up!

Look - face it - you really have nothing important, relevant or factual to say - on anything aparently...

And I find it very funny this claim that Americans are ignorant of the world...in fact...for those of us that matter, nothing could be further from the truth....but - and you may want to let this sink in a bit...there are plenty of reasons why it benefits us greatly for you to think that we are ignorant...yeah...so ha ha to you...

[Turanist]

the Native Americans were Turkic so all the North America iss Turkic. you are really sad it was 95% of Native American Turks killed. But smaller the numbers of the Armenian killed now you want the all your old land back.

[Turanist]

Look - face it - you really have nothing important, relevant or factual to say - on anything aparently...

And I find it very funny this claim that Americans are ignorant of the world...in fact...for those of us that matter, nothing could be further from the truth....but - and you may want to let this sink in a bit...there are plenty of reasons why it benefits us greatly for you to think that we are ignorant...yeah...so ha ha to you...

i have good Turan facts .

[Hovik]

the Native Americans were Turkic so all the North America iss Turkic. you are really sad it was 95% of Native American Turks killed. But smaller the numbers of the Armenian killed now you want the all your old land back.

Turanist, show me a list of credible historians who promote this so-called Native American / Turkic connection please, where can I buy his/her book?

[Turanist]

you think that you is smart? also why dont really fact for the Spanish Armada be taught in the schools? the Turks help the UK for the victory we have for the right for the truth to be told. .

[Turanist]

I can provide the proofs but maybe you deny it .

[TurQ]

Turanist/UKTurk/Neutral

enough is enough, you having fun but these people are taking all these seriously and getting angry. I dont think there's a point for this.

For the Turan thing, all of the newly independent Turkic states were crushed under communism. MOst of them even do not feel that they are related with each other and dont have much national consiousness. In Kazakstan they dont even speak their own language but speak in Russian in the cities. I am concerned about those people in the sense that they should learn their language and cultural values. They are exposed to assimilation, the first and foremost important thing is to help them save their identity. Kirgiz and Ozbeks ahve deep problems, they dont like each other. We have more immediate problems to solve. At this moment we can have a unified Alphabet, and help them to stabilize their economy. Otherwise forget their independence.

And as far as the Azeris of Iran concerned, they wont do anything against the IRanian state. They have a national identity but they also see that they are part of Iranian culture( I have met a few). And after all they did not even react to Iran's support to Armenia, Iran openly supported and still supporting ongoing Armenian occupation of Azerbeyjan. Remember Hashimi Rafsanjani is an Azeri and was President(I dont know if he still is).

Iran's support for Armenia is not ideological, it is just both Iran and Armenia is isolated in that region and their only choice is to support each other. If Turkey increases its relation with Iran(trade etc, I know it is not trivial), Turkey will have the chance for further pressuring to Armenia to stop the occupation. Your strategy will push Iran to Armenian side and will not do any good for Azeris.

Anyways I know you are not being serious about the Turan thing, if you really were, you would first learn Turkish I think you should quit making them angry for no reason..

the Native Americans were Turkic so all the North America iss Turkic. you are really sad it was 95% of Native American Turks killed. But smaller the numbers of the Armenian killed now you want the all your old land back.

[Hovik]

you think that you is smart? also why dont really fact for the Spanish Armada be taught in the schools? the Turks help the UK for the victory we have for the right for the truth to be told. .

I think that I has a better knowledge of the English language, but that is about it...

Don't change the subject, I'm not talking about the Spanish Armada...

I can provide the proofs but maybe you deny it .

Why do you not simply fufill my request? You don't mean to tell me you expect me to believe an allegation which not a single credible historian has written a book about, do you?

Turanist, show me a list of credible historians who promote this so-called Native American / Turkic connection please, where can I buy his/her book?

[Turanist]

I think that I has a better knowledge of the English language, but that is about it...

you think you funny.

Don't change the subject, I'm not talking about the Spanish Armada...

good I wont show you evidence.

Why do you not simply fufill my request? You don't mean to tell me you expect me to believe an allegation which not a single credible historian has written a book about, do you?

Look its from Christian website, you have to believe it


http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durable...12/08/p1s4.htm

Link to US Indian origins

Judith Matloff, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


MOSCOW - A leading Russian geneticist claims he has taken a giant step toward identifying the precise origin of native Americans, based on his genetic studies of the Tuvan people in Siberia. Ilya Zakharov, deputy director of Moscow's Vavilov Institute of General Genetics, says an expedition he led last year proved a DNA link between American Indians and the Ak-Dovurak region 2,100 miles southeast of Moscow. The idea of a Siberian connection is not new. But Dr. Zakharov says he has nailed it down. "This is a big breakthrough," he told the Monitor. "We had examined a lot of populations before - and by pure chance the results proved it was the Tuvans." He says he believes DNA matches in two neighboring regions may be even greater. Tuva today is one of Russia's poorest and most mysterious regions, with ancient cultural traditions that include shamanism. The area, bridging Siberia's huge Taiga Forest and the steppes, or plains, lies north of Mongolia. The Tuvans are mainly Turkic-speaking nomadic pastoralists who herd camels, yaks, sheep, goats, and reindeer. Tuva formed part of the Chinese empire in the 18th and 19th centuries. Scientists have long established that some 30,000 to 40,000 years ago people of some Asian roots migrated across the ice sheets of Siberia's Bering Strait to Alaska, probably in pursuit of animals such as woolly mammoths. Some recent reports have pointed to genetic links between indigenous peoples of the Pacific Rim and Siberians.


Best DNA matches yet Previously geneticists speculated that America's first inhabitants, numbering perhaps no more than 5,000 people, originally came from Northern China or Mongolia. But Zakharov says his team was able to greatly narrow the focus with hair samples taken from about 430 Tuvans. DNA data from the hair roots was analyzed and then compared with that of Eskimos and Amerindian people including the Navajo and Apache. What Zakharov found was that the Amerindian DNA makeup exactly matched the Tuvans - by 72 percent of one group of 30 samples and 69 percent of another group of 300. "This [represents] the highest frequencies of Amerindian DNA types ever found," he says. "Several years ago some American, Russian, and Mongolian scientists investigated Mongolian and Chinese populations. The frequency of the same DNA types was nearer to 45 percent." Lack of funding The geneticist now wants to look at the DNA makeup of people from the Khakassia and Altai regions, which border on Tuva. These people are also Turkic speaking, and may even have a higher DNA match with Amerindians, he believes. His problem, however, is that of many scientists in financially strapped Russia - money. The paint on the genetics center's wall is peeling. Broken chairs line the corridors. Zakharov looks puzzled when asked for his e-mail address; such amenities are beyond budget. His hope is that Italian, American, and Brazilian scientists who contacted him after reading about his findings will pick up the ball. Zakharov and his group posted a summary of the Tuva studies in a recent issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics. "I think this discovery is fascinating, but I have no grants to continue this project," he laments. In the meantime, his claims were welcomed by Tuva officials, who appeared amused to imagine hereditary links, however tenuous, with the US. "It was a total surprise," says Orlan Cholbeney, head of the Tuva Republic mission in Moscow. "If we have a mutual past, then we hope it will help promote cooperation with the Americans."

Tuvian is Native American. Tuvian is Turkic.