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  • #1

    Kurdistan!

    George Bush made another speech about the War on Iraq yesterday, and again said that America will keep troops in Iraq indefinitely and continue the war with the steadfast determination of a moron running into a brick wall. However, the ever increasing political dissent creates the possibility that the United States will pull out of Iraq in shame, leaving Iraq exactly how it is now.

    It made me wonder...how does that affect Anatolia?

    The only thing keeping any civil order between the shi'ites, sunnis, and kurds are the United States armed forces. If the forces were to pull out, Iraq would go to hell in a handbasket. The Iraqis will kill each other, the shi'ites will win, the Sunnis will be slaughtered, and then the kurds will then make their own state of Kurdistan by taking a chunk out of Iraq, more official than ever! That, however, calls for a removal of U.S. troops before too long.

    Once the Kurds carve out their little nation in Iraq, the Kurds in Turkey will probably heavily support the annexation of a portion of Turkey into the newly formed Kurdistan, which of course would require taking a considerable piece out of Turkey itself. How that would play out, I'm curious.

    So, how does everyone else think the U.S. failure in Iraq will affect its neighboring nations?
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    Originally posted by Kharpert
    George Bush made another speech about the War on Iraq yesterday, and again said that America will keep troops in Iraq indefinitely and continue the war with the steadfast determination of a moron running into a brick wall. However, the ever increasing political dissent creates the possibility that the United States will pull out of Iraq in shame, leaving Iraq exactly how it is now.

    It made me wonder...how does that affect Anatolia?

    The only thing keeping any civil order between the shi'ites, sunnis, and kurds are the United States armed forces. If the forces were to pull out, Iraq would go to hell in a handbasket. The Iraqis will kill each other, the shi'ites will win, the Sunnis will be slaughtered, and then the kurds will then make their own state of Kurdistan by taking a chunk out of Iraq, more official than ever! That, however, calls for a removal of U.S. troops before too long.

    Once the Kurds carve out their little nation in Iraq, the Kurds in Turkey will probably heavily support the annexation of a portion of Turkey into the newly formed Kurdistan, which of course would require taking a considerable piece out of Turkey itself. How that would play out, I'm curious.

    So, how does everyone else think the U.S. failure in Iraq will affect its neighboring nations?
    Before the Kurds can carve anything out of anywhere, they will have to go to war with Turkey. So the withdrawal of U.S. troops before order is restored could lead to a war between Turkey and Kurdish Iraq.

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    • #3
      For obvious reasons Turkey is a steadfast supporter of a unified Iraq and one of the reasons is what you have observed, further Kurdish unrest in S.E. Turkey. Turkey is striving for stability in the region and further Kurdish unrest and a major shift in the status quo and players in the area may drain Turkeys fast growing but still shaky economy.

      It is more than likely that taking a considerable piece out of Turkey would mean a lot of bloodshed and even if through war and diplomacy a chunk was taken from Anatolia it would be at the cost of hundreds and thousands of lives and the risk of Kurds losing what they initially have within todays Iraq. So a newly established Kurdistan in Iraq IMHO would be totally against Kurdish unrest within Turkey who without American presence in Northern Iraq would feel free to send daily air raids into the territory and keep permanent troops there as it has done until the last war in Iraq and take fierce pre-emptive measures. It may sound wild but I personally think Kurdistan will be Turkey's best friend, at least for a while and will then wipe out any remaining PKK elements still left there and wait for some cash flow through oil exports to accumulate. You never know, they might even want to build another pipeline through Turkey to secure there exports which would create a strong economic and hence political bond between the two 'countries'.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kharpert
        George Bush made another speech about the War on Iraq yesterday, and again said that America will keep troops in Iraq indefinitely and continue the war with the steadfast determination of a moron running into a brick wall. However, the ever increasing political dissent creates the possibility that the United States will pull out of Iraq in shame, leaving Iraq exactly how it is now.

        It made me wonder...how does that affect Anatolia?

        The only thing keeping any civil order between the shi'ites, sunnis, and kurds are the United States armed forces. If the forces were to pull out, Iraq would go to hell in a handbasket. The Iraqis will kill each other, the shi'ites will win, the Sunnis will be slaughtered, and then the kurds will then make their own state of Kurdistan by taking a chunk out of Iraq, more official than ever! That, however, calls for a removal of U.S. troops before too long.

        Once the Kurds carve out their little nation in Iraq, the Kurds in Turkey will probably heavily support the annexation of a portion of Turkey into the newly formed Kurdistan, which of course would require taking a considerable piece out of Turkey itself. How that would play out, I'm curious.

        So, how does everyone else think the U.S. failure in Iraq will affect its neighboring nations?
        the downfall of Turkey will be when the downfall of USA happens.

        Kurdish terrorists will lose. also Turkey can invade Iraq. and Iran and Armenia and Greece at the same time and win.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Turanist
          ...also Turkey can invade Iraq. and Iran and Armenia and Greece at the same time and win.
          Sounds like WWI.... who lost?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hitite
            Sounds like WWI.... who lost?
            very funny. that was after all the years of fighting. also we was fighting for longer than the other countries. also look at Turkeys land borders after the war. did we really lost?

            also we have the modern army. if USA was not in middle east we will be strongest in region.
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            • #7
              Turanist, if you go to war on so many different fronts you are most probably going to lose. You will not only be fighting Iraq, Iran,Armenia and Greece but also countries supporting them. Who will support Turkey? The Turkish army is the strongest in the region but split that in 5, what do you get?

              I also look at Ottoman borders before and after WWI and I can only see that the Ottomans were crushed.

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              • #8
                Turanist thats how the Ottoman army perished under the control of Enver.
                There wont be any stronger Kurdistan. There will be an autonomous region there. It was our fault to help US for no flight zone in northern Iraq in 1990s.
                It was our fault, but at least we shuld prevent further indepence. These guys are only puppets it wont serve any good for Kurdish people. They want Iraq to be partitioned ethnically, and Syria be partitioned along religous lines. This is against Turkey's interests. This means more instabilty in the region.
                IF TUrkey can modernize and develop the southeastern region, those people who live in Norther IRaq will see Turkey as their big brother and admire the Kurds who live in Turkey. Kurds in Turkey live in alot better condition than Kurds elsewhere. Even in those autonomous northern iraq regions, they were divided along tribal and political lines. The imperialist powers just want to divide and rule in those region and control oil wells.


                Originally posted by Turanist
                very funny. that was after all the years of fighting. also we was fighting for longer than the other countries. also look at Turkeys land borders after the war. did we really lost?



                also we have the modern army. if USA was not in middle east we will be strongest in region.

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                • #9
                  Why are you people wasting your time to talk to this idiot seriously?

                  On a more serious note: TurQ - do see any hope for "stability" in this region regardless of what policy is pursued? And - considering that the Kurdish people have been subject to quite a bit of repression at the hands of the Iraqi gov't (Baathists) in the past - and really without exerting themselves would/will be marginalized in the future - how can you deny them their desire for autonomy or more - think about it for a bit. And if Turkey had respected its Kurds all these years instead of suppressing and killing and (economically) ignoring and lieing to them all of these years would the issue of Kurdish seperatism from Turkey be such a worry today? As Kemalism made being a "Kurd" incompatable with being a "Turk" and because it attempted to force this identity on people who overall were willing to accept being Turkish but not by giving up being Kurdish - who is really to blame for the problems here? ANd don't the Kurds warrent some consideration for past (and ongoing) abuses against them. If you answer me in the typical Turkish denial and shifting blame I will know to never respect your opinions again.

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                  • #10
                    turkey doesnt wantand wont let a kurdistan near its borders.if it happends to established i think this time kurds fight between themselves in their country.because kurds dont have a capabilty of gowerning.not in the past and not in the future...

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