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  • #41
    Turkish journalists charged with helping Kurd rebels

    Mon Jan 2, 7:35 PM ET



    ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish state prosecutors on Monday charged nine people, including a journalist who works for Reuters news agency, with spreading propaganda on behalf of Kurdish separatists.



    If found guilty the nine, who include other journalists and human rights activists, face up to three years in jail.

    Turkish national Ferit Demir, a stringer for Reuters based in the eastern town of Tunceli, was detained last August when he observed the handover of a soldier abducted by Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels to representatives of a human rights group.

    He and the other men were then freed pending investigations.

    Journalists have often fallen foul of Turkish authorities over coverage of a conflict in the southeast that has cost some 30,000 lives. A government pursuing European Union entry has eased curbs on the media and on Kurdish language and culture, but the judiciary remains a conservative force.

    In its indictment, the Tunceli prosecutor's office accused the nine of using the kidnapped soldier to promote the cause of the PKK, which has waged an armed struggle against Turkish security forces in the impoverished southeast since 1984.

    Demir denied the accusations.

    "It is absolutely out of the question that I conducted PKK propaganda. I was only doing my job as a journalist," he said.

    The prosecutors set March 3 as the date for the first hearing in the trial.

    PKK rebels held the soldier captive for nearly four weeks in a remote region of the southeast before releasing him.

    Turkey blames the PKK, classified by the United States as a terrorist organization, for the deaths and economic damage inflicted on the region over two decades. Violence eased after the 1999 capture of rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan but has grown again since PKK ended a five-year unilateral ceasefire in 2004.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #42
      Pro-Kurdish Mayors Face Charges in South Turkey

      DIYARBAKIR (Reuters)--More than 50 mayors in southeast Turkey could face criminal charges after sending a letter to Denmark's prime minister urging him not to shut down a pro-Kurdish television station, officials said yesterday. Turkey says Copenhagen-based Roj TV is a mouthpiece for the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which Ankara blames for the deaths of more than 30,000 people since it began an armed campaign for a Kurdish homeland in southeast Turkey in 1984.

      In their letter, 56 mayors urged Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to resist pressure from Ankara to close down Roj TV, saying it would hurt the needs of their people for Kurdish language broadcasting. "The chief prosecutor's office will decide whether to launch an investigation after examining the full letter," an official told Reuters in Diyarbakir, the main city of Turkey's southeast.

      "If a crime is found to have been committed, an investigation will be opened against the mayors for promoting an illegal organization and for praising the crime and the criminal," the official said.

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      • #43
        Funny how all those mayors are from the southeast.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Kharpert
          George Bush made another speech about the War on Iraq yesterday, and again said that America will keep troops in Iraq indefinitely and continue the war with the steadfast determination of a moron running into a brick wall. However, the ever increasing political dissent creates the possibility that the United States will pull out of Iraq in shame, leaving Iraq exactly how it is now.

          It made me wonder...how does that affect Anatolia?

          The only thing keeping any civil order between the shi'ites, sunnis, and kurds are the United States armed forces. If the forces were to pull out, Iraq would go to hell in a handbasket. The Iraqis will kill each other, the shi'ites will win, the Sunnis will be slaughtered, and then the kurds will then make their own state of Kurdistan by taking a chunk out of Iraq, more official than ever! That, however, calls for a removal of U.S. troops before too long.

          Once the Kurds carve out their little nation in Iraq, the Kurds in Turkey will probably heavily support the annexation of a portion of Turkey into the newly formed Kurdistan, which of course would require taking a considerable piece out of Turkey itself. How that would play out, I'm curious.

          So, how does everyone else think the U.S. failure in Iraq will affect its neighboring nations?
          I think if American forces withdraw from Iraq,Arabs both sunnis and shi'ites will try to make Kurds go away from North Iraq and slaughter Kurds like old Saddam reign.So Kurds living in Iraq need American Forces.I think like that,I am waiting your comments on my sentences.

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          • #45
            I am in favour of Independent Kurdistan

            Yes, once there is a independent Kurdistan in Iraq, we will send all the Kurdish people in Turkey to Iraq. They deserve an independent country. Therefore Turkey will become a purer, richier and more modern country with less population.

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            • #46
              Originally posted by RUDO
              I think if American forces withdraw from Iraq,Arabs both sunnis and shi'ites will try to make Kurds go away from North Iraq and slaughter Kurds like old Saddam reign.So Kurds living in Iraq need American Forces.I think like that,I am waiting your comments on my sentences.
              I don't think that Arabs will ever again hurt Kurds ... even if US troops pulled out (which is something I don't see happening, not at least for few more years)... Kurds are growing stronger in Iraq, and I don't doubt that there will be a state of Kurdistan in north Iraq sometime in the few comming years...
              The Question is ... How Turkey will react to a Strong Kurdish State in North Iraq ??

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              • #47
                Originally posted by turkishforces
                Yes, once there is a independent Kurdistan in Iraq, we will send all the Kurdish people in Turkey to Iraq. They deserve an independent country. Therefore Turkey will become a purer, richier and more modern country with less population.
                Where will you put 30 Million Kurd ? How will you squez them into a small mountine area of Northern Iraq Kurdstan ? If Whole Iraq population is some 25 million !!

                Haven't you had enough of deporting and exiling people ?? First Armenians and now Kurds ?
                I bet if you were in Erdogan's seat, you'd be funding Kurds of Iraq to make their state so you can kick your Kurds out too, no hesitation no regrets !! And you'll stamp their passports "Never Come Back" , or "Banned from Entering Turkey" ... so after you kick 'em out you confiscate their houses and properties !!!

                History Repeats Itself .... That much I can say!

                Anyways, RUDO as Turkish Kurd .. what do you think ?

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                • #48
                  Yes, once there is a independent Kurdistan in Iraq, we will send all the Kurdish people in Turkey to Iraq. They deserve an independent country. Therefore Turkey will become a purer, richier and more modern country with less population.
                  First of all let me say that as a Turk, I dont think we should (or can) exile Kurds from Turkey. Let's leave ethics to a side and think on this offering.
                  Kurds today in Turkey form %20-25 of the current population which makes their numbers 15-20 million estimated. Kurds do not represent a uniform demographics in Turkey, you can come across a Kurdish citizen in İstanbul as well as in Diyarbakır. Deporting or exiling them will invoke tremendous responsibility in terms of settling, looking after them and also some very serious diplomatic-economic pressure from unions adn states of the world.
                  Besides it is very higly expected that Kurdish people of Turkey will react in terms of democracy and armed rebellion which we experienced past 20 years, though in a smaller radius, with PKK. One can ofcourse say, rightly, that Turkish army's problem with PKK was that it could not differ between normal people and PKK militants in the cities. Fighting a nation will erase such a disadvantage, army and people will have an open target. But there will be a civil war if you take such an advantage, which will cause a great tramua in people of Turkey, not to mention that our economy will collapse, people who does not hate us in the world (few) will hate us also. I dont even mention the lives taht will be lost. Finally the idea of deporting Kurds is impossible and illogical in my view that is without ethics.

                  As to ethics, I can not find it in me to deport those people from where they live, even more so I can not find it in me to shoot or kill the person that I eat dinner evey afternoon in university campus. As long as there is not a claim of Kurdistan in Turkey by the majority of Kurds who live in Turkey, a Kurd that lives in Turkey is my brother.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by turkishforces
                    Yes, once there is a independent Kurdistan in Iraq, we will send all the Kurdish people in Turkey to Iraq. They deserve an independent country. Therefore Turkey will become a purer, richier and more modern country with less population.
                    If we take this step, this will probably be our end. I mean this is imposibble. If we give one piece of land to Kurds, other ethnic minorities would want to have some land too and this can lead us to a new issue that has to be solved.

                    An independent Kurdistan could also be easily used against us from global powers. They may be their puppet (or they can be a buffer i dont really know)

                    However, Kurds are our brother. I respect them because they took part in one of the most important wars of our history: The Malazgirt war (against Byzantine Empire) Without their help, maybe we would not able to settle in in Anatolia.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by turkishforces
                      Yes, once there is a independent Kurdistan in Iraq, we will send all the Kurdish people in Turkey to Iraq. They deserve an independent country. Therefore Turkey will become a purer, richier and more modern country with less population.
                      For the sake of God,
                      your stupid country couldnt beat the PKK for 3 decades, now how are you going to expell 25 million Kurds from their homeland Northern kurdistan?


                      Dear Armenian brothers, don't listen to these turks, they are just so overwhelmed with their jealousity.

                      They think they can invade Iraqi Kurdistan, hahahah, that was really funny. They dont know our history. I propose that Turkey should build a new tombstone factory if they ' invade' Iraqi Kurdistan.

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