"Azeri" barbarians are destroying what's left of the ancient Jugha cemetery

[Ixtanbul]

So logically Armenians are occupying Turkish lands and Azeri lands.


Make me laugh!

The UN resolutions officialy express Armenia is occupying Armenian lands, so what exactly is it that you find funny?

Also if Turkey is occupying Armenian lands can you give me more information on the Armenian state which we invaded or took over. Cause Armenia is formed on the lands of a former Turkish state not vice versa.

[Gavur]

Armenia was part of the Ottoman Empire
Then for some reason F**ING cowards forcebly removed them by a way of Genocide was it land? maybe
Whose land are you taking from whom?

[Kharpert]

Cause Armenia is formed on the lands of a former Turkish state not vice versa.

Armenia is 5000 years older than the Ottoman empire.

The Ottoman empire was formed in 1299. Evidence of Armenian culture has been in Anatolia since ~4000 B.C. Even when you go as far as the Kingdom of Urartu in ~800 B.C., Armenia is 2000 years older than the Ottoman empire. So no, Armenians were there first.

The UN resolutions officialy express Armenia is occupying [Azeri] lands, so what exactly is it that you find funny?

You wrote that Armenians are occupying Armenian lands (Duh), so I'm going to assume you meant Armenians are occupying Azeri lands. Well according to U.N. resolutions 822, 853, 874, and 884, the U.N. demands withdrawal from the Kelbadjar region. There is no mention of Karabagh anywhere in the U.N. resolutions, and the terms of withdrawal are extremely vague.

That said, there are over a dozen U.N. resolutions demanding the removal of Turkish troops from Cyprus, but there's no possibly way to enforce it. Resolutions are little more than smalll political prayers.

[Hovik]

The UN resolutions officialy express Armenia is occupying Armenian lands, so what exactly is it that you find funny?

Also if Turkey is occupying Armenian lands can you give me more information on the Armenian state which we invaded or took over. Cause Armenia is formed on the lands of a former Turkish state not vice versa.

So do you dare to tell us that there was no existence of an Armenian State prior to the Ottoman Empire in 1451?

And it's interesting that like the USSR in which Armenia was integrated - so before was Armenia integrated into the Ottoman Empire quite like balkan countries. Hence like Balkan Countries, and for the sake of the example, like Soviet republics, upon disintegration - nations re-emerge to their pre-empire/union status - Armenia was the last one to re-emerge and it was the Ottoman Turk's biggest fear - this is one of the reasons for Genocide - and this is what prevented the Western 90% of Armenia from becoming independent once again...

Sorry for the rough example but I think it makes a point. By the way, do you think none of the present day Balkan countries existed prior to the Ottoman Empire?

[Gavur]

Armenia accuses Azerbaijan of desecrating cemetery

Arminfo
16 Dec 05

Yerevan, 16 December: Armenian Foreign Minister Vardan Oskanyan has
sent a letter to UNESCO Director-General Koichiro Matsuura in
connection with the desecration of khachkars (cross-stones) and graves
at an Armenian cemetery in Dzhuga ([presumably Culfa town in the
Azerbaijani exclave of] Naxcivan). The letter was also sent to other
international organizations, the press service of the Armenian Foreign
Ministry told Arminfo news agency.

"I want to draw your attention to the issue of a great cultural and
political significance. At the moment, Azerbaijani soldiers are
destroying the historical monuments of the medieval Armenian cemetery
- grave stones and khachkars - with the use of hammers and hardware.

"This area, which is situated between Armenia and Iran, has been
populated by Armenians for centuries. There were more than 10,000
handmade grave stones and khachkars at this cemetery. The Azerbaijani
authorities began to destroy it in the 20th century, continued this
with great enthusiasm in 2002, and during the last three days they
have resumed this work in an attempt to wipe out traces of Armenians
on those lands.

"These acts of vandalism and violence, demonstration of intolerance
and brutality are being committed at a time when the international
community calls for the safe preservation of cultural heritage of the
mankind.

"Director General, I write this letter with a great feeling of anger
and regret. Doing so, nevertheless, I hope that anger and condemnation
of the international community will force Azerbaijan to stop
committing these acts of destroying human memory which are similar to
the ethnic cleansing.

"I call on you to use your high position to stop the destruction of
the world's cultural heritage."

[Joseph]

Hello,

My name is Joseph and I'm new to this forum.

Part of me feels that Armenians in Artsakh should retalitate by destroy the Shushi mosque but then again, why stoop to their level? Let's remain aloof from that immaturity.

Don't the Azeris realize that when they commit these horrendous acts, they make any reconciliation that much harder?

What Armenian in his/her right mind would trust these people to govern them when they have committed and are continuing to commit such acts of vandalism? The Azeris showed the Armenians in 1988 what the future would be like under their rule and the Armenians did the only responsible thing by fighting for their freedom and making sure there would be no more surrender. We have lost too much as a people. Any surrender would be certain death.

[phantom]

Hello,

My name is Joseph and I'm new to this forum.

Part of me feels that Armenians in Artsakh should retalitate by destroy the Shushi mosque but then again, why stoop to their level? Let's remain aloof from that immaturity.

Don't the Azeris realize that when they commit these horrendous acts, they make any reconciliation that much harder?

What Armenian in his/her right mind would trust these people to govern them when they have committed and are continuing to commit such acts of vandalism? The Azeris showed the Armenians in 1988 what the future would be like under their rule and the Armenians did the only responsible thing by fighting for their freedom and making sure there would be no more surrender. We have lost too much as a people. Any surrender would be certain death.

Amen Joseph. Why is it so hard for our Turkish forum members to understand this? They think it's ok when they "protect" Turks in Cyprus, but what's good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander!

I agree with you that we should not destroy historical monuments and structures that we control in Karabagh and Armenia. It is barbaric and stupid. If there ever was any value in that xxxxty land called Naxciven or whatever the heck it's called, it was in the ancient monuments that our people had built there. The Azeri leadership is so stupid, it is cutting its own nose to spite its face. We should not act as stupidly as they do.

[Joseph]

Amen Joseph. Why is it so hard for our Turkish forum members to understand this? They think it's ok when they "protect" Turks in Cyprus, but what's good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander!

I agree with you that we should not destroy historical monuments and structures that we control in Karabagh and Armenia. It is barbaric and stupid. If there ever was any value in that xxxxty land called Naxciven or whatever the heck it's called, it was in the ancient monuments that our people had built there. The Azeri leadership is so stupid, it is cutting its own nose to spite its face. We should not act as stupidly as they do.

Thanks Phantom. I see that Armenia has made this act known to UNESCO and the OSCE. Not sure if it will do much but at least we should make it known to the world that this is how the "Azeris" act out their frustrations and that the Armenians would be insane to live amongst them.

[phantom]

You're right. Nobody is going to do a damn thing, just like nobody did anything (until wacko Bush along) when the Taliban destroyed the giant Budda statues. The only thing we can do is make sure that this act of barbarity is well-documented and publicized.

[Hovik]

For those of you who didn't see the 10 minute video of the destruction of our Khachkars here it is, I couldn't watch more than a minute before I felt like throwing up - may they rot in hell with 70 massively obese non-virgins...

http://www.hairenik.com/Haireniktv/HA_TV_Clip04.htm