Greek Genocide of Asia Minor

[imported_RUDO]

Also except that East of turkey is also motherlands of Kurds.

[Armenoid]

I am talking about east of turkey.so east is homelands of turks kurds and armenians .right?

Show me a map that shows where Kurds have had a nation in Anatolia. You know what bro, let me save you some time. You wont find one!!! You know why, because no such thing as a "Kurdish" nation existed at anytime. However, if you are a Kurd, then I should tell you that I would support a "brand new" Kurdish nation anywhere south and or west of Van.

[1.5 million]

to laugh or to cry?

[Hovik]

motherland vs. state

Also except that East of turkey is also motherlands of Kurds.

Please ask yourself these questions, and seek out the answers:

Did a "Kurdistan" or any Kurdish state ever exist in these occupied territories?

"Was there ever an "Armenian" state on these territories? And for how many years?

(please get back to me with these answers)

[cosmos2]

Please ask yourself these questions, and seek out the answers:

Did a "Kurdistan" or any Kurdish state ever exist in these occupied territories?

"Was there ever an "Armenian" state on these territories? And for how many years?

(please get back to me with these answers)

Instead of him/her I want to reply these questions:

I guess you have seen the map of Kurds which shows the all East Turkey as their land. Kurds exactly claim that East Turkey is their own land. In fact this indicates, claiming land on Turkey is very confusing thing because of its imperial past. Even if Armenians or Kurds reach their goal, so that, they'll begin for another fight of claim.

In fact, Kurds started to expend to all East Turkey after Armenian Genocide in the absence of Armenians and they believe now, these soils are their own. But, due to the Anti-Turkish point of view, Armenians, Kurds (and also Greeks) seem to be in good relationships. This is the logicof '' My enemy's enemy is my friend''. (But this friendship is artificial). Therefore, after sharing of Turkey, Armenians and Kurds will certainly have animosity toward each others.

Therfore, Armenians also have to have Kurds believed in that, East Turkey is not their historical land.

[cosmos2]

[QUOTE=Armenoid]

The second world war was a war to stop Bolshevism, nothing else.[QUOTE]

This sentence proves your insufficent knowledge of history. You should also watch the history channel, maybe you learn this was one of reasons for beginning of world war two.

[ScythianVizier]

What the hell are the both of you talking about?

World War II was the result of Hitler's attempt to conquer the world. You'll remember that Hitler signed an ALLIANCE with Stalin during the first half of the war, and then only broke that treaty when he felt that he had destroyed the Allies enough.

Hitler had come to power by claiming that the Weimar Republic had led Germany to go into decline, and he demanded that Germany turn to fascism to take power from the rest of the world. On September 1, 1931 Nazi Germany invaded Poland, AGAINST treaties signed with England and France. At first the West ignored the action, but after Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and caused the Nazification of Austria, the Western Powers firmly decided that his expansionism would have to come to an end. It was HITLER that started World War II. Hitler kept asking people to support his fascist policies, but only two nations came to his aid: Italy and Japan. Had Hitler incurred the support of other nations, fascism may have won over the World, and today we'd be living under governments of terror. I would not want to live in that world; needless to say I'm glad the allies won the war.

Hitler gained power by DESTROYING the Weimar Republic, not by supporting it.

Explaining World History by refering names might lead one's perception of today, and might place misleading impact on how one's future is shaped.

Hitler was the figure required by Germany since she was not happy of the world order established after the WWI. The Stalinist Russia was still possessing huge lands and resources, which was unacceptable for Germany. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Austria were the buffer states preventing Germany to move and act freely. Thus, Catholic Italian brothers of Germans was also unhappy due to the small gains of WWI. Having participated in genocides in Africa prior to WWII, Italians with their fascist Jackets turned their eyes on their classical interest locations, namely Albania and Greece and her islands.

In the meantime, the UK was too fat to move. The British Empire was an aged colonist still holding vast terriroties all across the earth, including India, Hong Kong, Singapore, Iraq, and so on. Japan was not happy with the Western Presence in Asia. She was already in Korea and China for occupation, rape, and forced labour. France was in the middle of all things and she wasnt sure about all the deals though she was pleasant with her "colonist times" whilst sharing mutual interests with the British. The USSR was in transformation of getting deformed whilst Stalin was in charge as the brutal dictator of the forced labour force of the Euroasian steppes. The USA was far and away, but she was consistent. She was aware of what was happening. The Europe was about to get involved in conflict, and she was already ready for such war for many years.

When Hitler's forces were defeated near Moscow, the possiblity of consequative blitzkriegs were almost dead, and when the Blue Plan was ended near Stalingrad, the US was almost sure of the outcome by applying simple math. The rest was about watching rivals damaging each other. The USA was sure of the victory, and she won it with the help of her primary competitors.

The use of first Atomic Bomb was to represent the power of strength rather affecting the outcome. Although the destructive effects of the bomb was well tested before being dropped on the Japanese Civilian targets, the USA insisted on using it. So, it was deliberate act mustering the effectiveness of mass-slaughter and brutality. When the war was over, Germany and Japan were humiliated by decisive military defeats and the crimes against humanity commited during the war. The era lasted until the end of USSR was about waiting the end of the sickman of Europe, namely the USSR who inherited that title from Turkey.

Today, the struggle for world dominion is not less intensive then it was. since the outcome of the WWII did not make many nations happy, and respectfully, the fall of the USSR did not stop all rivals to re-evaluate their strategic ambitions even though I hope that they all could see the benefit of giving-up the current order for a better model.

[imported_skhara]

Please dude, not all Armos are like this. Its only the self-rightous Amerikahai types. When I see the sad condition our diaspora here, I thank god for the fighting spirit of Hayastantsis and Artsakhtsis.

Bro, you sound like a Hayastantsi are you from here are you Amerikahai?

I am a product of the USSR.

[Hovik]

Instead of him/her I want to reply these questions:

I guess you have seen the map of Kurds which shows the all East Turkey as their land. Kurds exactly claim that East Turkey is their own land. In fact this indicates, claiming land on Turkey is very confusing thing because of its imperial past. Even if Armenians or Kurds reach their goal, so that, they'll begin for another fight of claim.

In fact, Kurds started to expend to all East Turkey after Armenian Genocide in the absence of Armenians and they believe now, these soils are their own. But, due to the Anti-Turkish point of view, Armenians, Kurds (and also Greeks) seem to be in good relationships. This is the logicof '' My enemy's enemy is my friend''. (But this friendship is artificial). Therefore, after sharing of Turkey, Armenians and Kurds will certainly have animosity toward each others.

Therfore, Armenians also have to have Kurds believed in that, East Turkey is not their historical land.

Ha, the funniest thing is that you DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!

[Kharpert]

ScythianVizier, it's rather ironic that had Hitler not insisted on a policy of ethnic cleansing, Germany would have been the first nation with the atomic bomb.