Azeri Genocide, how do Armenians feel about it?

[Serdar]

Here, I'll deny it like a Turk:

"azeri genoside iz big lieee !!!!!"

[TurQ]

Phantom

I am not gonna take this on me. I personally think CUP core is responsible for Armenian plight. I have said this, still say it. I do refer this to 1.5 million about my stand point(since we have discussed with him this point quite fevrently for some time). If you use the word genocide for core CUP I dont have problem with that and I wont oppose to you. As far as I am concerned, I am not into wording of this event or wording of Khojali.You can call me denier or other wordings that you have chosen.

I do used those evidences(about the 800,000, and the Ottoman court records) to clarify my stand point. I also said numerous times that we dont even need evidences to understand the likelihood of 1915 events. Do I need to reiterate these each time?

Putting these all aside, do you personally think that Armenians are not responsible for Khojali? This clearly told by some Armenians here. Dont you think Khojali is an act of vengeance and ethnic cleansing? What do you think when some here says, Azeris themselves killed each other inorder just to throw xxxx on Armenians?
Do you think that Azeris deserve what had happened to them? I dont think you do.
Do I not have the right to lament for my Azeri brothers as I do lament the collapse of multicultural Ottoman heritage that we once have?

Nereye kadar devam edicek bu? Turk-Ermeni iliskileri normallesmesin diye Karabagin problem haline getirildigi asikar degil mi? Hadi diyelim Turk tarafi hic bir zaman uzlasmadi yada sizin anladiginiz sekilde olaylari kabullenmedi, o zaman Karabag ve benzeri olaylar makul mu karsilanacak? Sen bana yaptin bende sana yapicam demek cozummu? Karabag'in her konusu acildiginda niye Karabag-1915 benzetmesi yaptildigini dusunuyorsunuz? Tamam o zaman hic bahsetmiyelim olen oldugu, evinden kovulan kovulduguyla kalsin bu olaylar 1915 esik seviyesine gelene kadarda konusmayalim.

Istanbul, Turq and you other Genocide deniers, I just want to start out by saying that if you actually believe any of the things that you posted here in this thread, then you're all dumber than dirt. Now I don't think you're dumber than dirt, and I don't think you believe what you're writing. At least if you were dumber than dirt I could have some sympathy for you.

You hypocrits constantly whine about not having enough evidence that the Turkish leaders of the Ottoman Empire intended to destroy the Armenian people. This despite the enormous amount of evidence that suggests they did intend to annhilate the Armenian people: official dispatches from German and Austrian leaders in the Ottoman Empire at the time; official dispatches from U.S. and Italian diplomats stationed in the Ottoman Empire at the time; eyewitness accounts from Turkish and German soldiers, Swiss, German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Austrian, and American missionaries, all "miraculously" saying the exact same thing; the recorded testimony of Turkish officials who confessed to this crime; official TURKISH statistics from 1916 confirming that 800,000 Armenians had already been directly killed, and the list goes on and on. Basically, the only thing we don't have is a video-taped confession from Talaat. Yet, despite all of that; despite the fact that within a span of 3 years, almost the entire population of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire were ERASED, despite the fact that almost every Genocide expert in the world confirms that it was a Genocide, you idiots still refuse to accept this fact. And if that was not enough, you come here, to a forum designed to discuss the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, and you allege that the death of 600 Azeris in Khojaly was a Genocide. Where is your evidence douchebags?! Show me one independent witness who saw what went down while it was going down? Show me one iota of evidence that the Armenian GOVERNMENT ordered the destruction of the Khojaly Azeris? On the contrary, there is a confession from the Azeri leader at the time, that it was in fact, Azeri opposition forces who were against him that committed this crime. Yet, you somehow have no problem taking enormous leaps and bounds in logic to call it a Khojaly Genocide, while requiring a time machine into Talaat's office as he writes the destruction orders to accept that your ancestors intentionally and ruthlessly exterminated the Armenian people.

As for freedom of speech, there is no such thing as freedom of speech in a private forum idiots! I used to have these same discussions with Turks in a Turkish forum, and virtually every Armenian who gave the Armenian viewpoint was banned. Where is the freedom of speech in Turkish forums, huh?

Given that there is no factual basis for your ideas, and that they are irresponsibly groundless, I would have no problem deleting this thread and banning you for "inciting ethnic hatred." If you don't know what that means, review the Turkish penal code . . . douchebags! And if you don't know what douchebag means, ask one of your parents; they should know since at least one of them must have married a douchebag in order to procreate you douchebags!

[Serdar]

I'm so glad that the Zangezur strip separates Turkey from the rest of the Turkic republics. It puts a smile on my face. Azerxxxxjan will have to suffer. Actually, Georgia can almost be counted as a Turkic state, so you're not really separated at all!

[TurQ]

And saying that Turks dont know anything about what had Armenians gone thru is the same as saying genocide has neve happened. Armenians lived among us. My dad and Grand dad had Armenian friends (both Muslim and Christian Armenians) in Malatya. My Dad's Granddad was in the Ottoman army in 1914 and among the few thousand who survived Sarikamis. Allow us to know something different than you, may be we have more to say on this.

Istanbul, Turq and you other Genocide deniers, I just want to start out by saying that if you actually believe any of the things that you posted here in this thread, then you're all dumber than dirt. Now I don't think you're dumber than dirt, and I don't think you believe what you're writing. At least if you were dumber than dirt I could have some sympathy for you.

You hypocrits constantly whine about not having enough evidence that the Turkish leaders of the Ottoman Empire intended to destroy the Armenian people. This despite the enormous amount of evidence that suggests they did intend to annhilate the Armenian people: official dispatches from German and Austrian leaders in the Ottoman Empire at the time; official dispatches from U.S. and Italian diplomats stationed in the Ottoman Empire at the time; eyewitness accounts from Turkish and German soldiers, Swiss, German, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Austrian, and American missionaries, all "miraculously" saying the exact same thing; the recorded testimony of Turkish officials who confessed to this crime; official TURKISH statistics from 1916 confirming that 800,000 Armenians had already been directly killed, and the list goes on and on. Basically, the only thing we don't have is a video-taped confession from Talaat. Yet, despite all of that; despite the fact that within a span of 3 years, almost the entire population of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire were ERASED, despite the fact that almost every Genocide expert in the world confirms that it was a Genocide, you idiots still refuse to accept this fact. And if that was not enough, you come here, to a forum designed to discuss the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, and you allege that the death of 600 Azeris in Khojaly was a Genocide. Where is your evidence douchebags?! Show me one independent witness who saw what went down while it was going down? Show me one iota of evidence that the Armenian GOVERNMENT ordered the destruction of the Khojaly Azeris? On the contrary, there is a confession from the Azeri leader at the time, that it was in fact, Azeri opposition forces who were against him that committed this crime. Yet, you somehow have no problem taking enormous leaps and bounds in logic to call it a Khojaly Genocide, while requiring a time machine into Talaat's office as he writes the destruction orders to accept that your ancestors intentionally and ruthlessly exterminated the Armenian people.

As for freedom of speech, there is no such thing as freedom of speech in a private forum idiots! I used to have these same discussions with Turks in a Turkish forum, and virtually every Armenian who gave the Armenian viewpoint was banned. Where is the freedom of speech in Turkish forums, huh?

Given that there is no factual basis for your ideas, and that they are irresponsibly groundless, I would have no problem deleting this thread and banning you for "inciting ethnic hatred." If you don't know what that means, review the Turkish penal code . . . douchebags! And if you don't know what douchebag means, ask one of your parents; they should know since at least one of them must have married a douchebag in order to procreate you douchebags!

[imported_Hellektor]

Khojaly was your own doing stop lying and show some respect to the dead

Hellektor also knows this very well. and he is actually not hiding his opinions about Azeris are doing a big mistake for daring to live on Hisotrical Armenian lands. And he says this not only for Karabag but for all the lands where Azeris live.

That you are the worst kind of Turk, the hypocritical kind is more than obvious.
And do not be a smart ass reading my mind:

I am absoxxxxinlutely 100% sure that

It was YOU who xxxxing did it

Read my post and convince yourself you two faced devil.

Your goddamn presidents say:

It was YOU who xxxxing did it

Don't you believe your righteous presidents?
What? Since they are Turks they are lying or what?

How many times do I have to ask this question?
Why do you shut the xxxx up and you don't answer?

Why did you kill Chingiz Mustafayev?

It was because he reported to Moscow when he had found out

It was YOU who xxxxing did it

Do all the "Azeri" witnesses lie too?

They all admit that

It was YOU who xxxxing did it

And everybody knows that they were killed for vengeance for 1915 events.

And do not be a smart ass putting words in everybody's mouth.

If you think this insignificant incident can make up for the Armenian Nation Annihilation then you have another thing coming.

If and only if it had been done by the Armenians, it would have been in retaliation for the Sumgait genocide four years before that.

You are just a miserable sadist who spews xxxx at the Armenians, infuriates them and wanks his ass off reading our responses.

Here in response to your defecation I present proof that no Islamic monuments are destroyed in Armenia, but you, pathetic hypocrite that you are do not present your "proof" of the vomit you excreted:

...anything related with Turks or Muslims almost entirely wiped off from contemporary Armenian lands.

But you don't have the decency to denounce the savage barbarities of your "Azeri" siblings.

Genocide ihn Broad Daylight

Nakhijevan, December 2005 not 1905 or 1915.
Destruction of the ancient Jugha cemetery by "Azeri" beasts
The murderer gets rid of the evidence of the existence of the victim.

What do you want in this forum?

[Serdar]

Yes it was war and so was WW1!

Hypocrite.

The eshek has spoken!

[imported_Hellektor]

It was war... People died

Yes it was war and so was WW1!

Hypocrite.

You dumb ass, I am being sarcastic. It's your cliché response to deny the Armenian Genocide.
Is that all there is in my post?


Why don't you answer me you miserable scavenger?

Why did you kill Chingiz Mustafayev?

[Serdar]

Hellektor, what these Jurks read/hear goes in from one ear and out the other.

[phantom]

And saying that Turks dont know anything about what had Armenians gone thru is the same as saying genocide has neve happened. Armenians lived among us. My dad and Grand dad had Armenian friends (both Muslim and Christian Armenians) in Malatya. My Dad's Granddad was in the Ottoman army in 1914 and among the few thousand who survived Sarikamis. Allow us to know something different than you, may be we have more to say on this.

My dad's granddad was in the Ottoman Army too, fighting for the same country that was butchering his people! Yet, today you say that my people were backstabbers, that's the only defense that denialists have, isn't it!

As for Khojaly, please don't make me sick. There is no way that either you or I can know what was going on in the minds of the soldiers that committed the Khojaly massacre. I've read Melkonian's biography, and if it is correct, then it was done by the Armenian soldiers. Was it sanctioned by the Armenian authorities? NO. Was it planned? NO! Was it revenge for the Armenian Genocide? You'd have to ask the few dozen Armenian soldiers who did it! What were they thinking? Why didn't they stop after they drove the Azeri soldiers out? Why did they pursue the civilians? Was it the Genocide they were avenging, or the massacres Armenians in Sumgait and Baku just a few years earlier? Again, you'd have to ask them, because they're the only ones who know why they didn't stop shooting after the Azeri soldiers were beaten back. But trying to compare this incident to the Armenian Genocide is like trying to compare the Titanic to a capsized canoe. Yes, they're both tragic, but a comparison is wholly inappropriate. And you personally have done nothing to speak against the absurdity of this topic. Instead, you foment it with your emotional pleas for respecting human life, something that you only seem to do when that human life is Turkish.

[TurQ]

Phantom

I personally think you are one of the few Armenians that have a position to recoincile Turks and Diaspora. I just would like to ask to cool down my friend.
I have never ever called whole Armenian population as back stabbers. Again manytimes I accused CUP for pushing whole Armenian population to Tashnak side by their policies. I can only thank your great granddad. What can I say?

You still do not get my point, violence gives birth other violence. This has to stop somewhere. I am not pleaing for Turks only. What I say is this vicous cycle has to end.
Thats one thing that I cant understand, if we can not solve the problems of today how can we even start to solve the ones 90 years ago? Can you tell me? Thats why I posted on Karabag and Khojali, as it was rationalized by some members

My dad's granddad was in the Ottoman Army too, fighting for the same country that was butchering his people! Yet, today you say that my people were backstabbers, that's the only defense that denialists have, isn't it!

As for Khojaly, please don't make me sick. There is no way that either you or I can know what was going on in the minds of the soldiers that committed the Khojaly massacre. I've read Melkonian's biography, and if it is correct, then it was done by the Armenian soldiers. Was it sanctioned by the Armenian authorities? NO. Was it planned? NO! Was it revenge for the Armenian Genocide? You'd have to ask the few dozen Armenian soldiers who did it! What were they thinking? Why didn't they stop after they drove the Azeri soldiers out? Why did they pursue the civilians? Was it the Genocide they were avenging, or the massacres Armenians in Sumgait and Baku just a few years earlier? Again, you'd have to ask them, because they're the only ones who know why they didn't stop shooting after the Azeri soldiers were beaten back. But trying to compare this incident to the Armenian Genocide is like trying to compare the Titanic to a capsized canoe. Yes, they're both tragic, but a comparison is wholly inappropriate. And you personally have done nothing to speak against the absurdity of this topic. Instead, you foment it with your emotional pleas for respecting human life, something that you only seem to do when that human life is Turkish.