Genocide information

[Perun]

Hello people!

I have recently been gathering data about the Armenian genocide for a compilation of world events I am working on.

I have done internet searching so far. Can someone point me to some information I may not have across through simple internet searches?

Also, are there some books you would recommend.

Does anyone know of a website that deals with German archives?

Thanks in advance.

[Kharpert]

Welcome, Perun!

You may have come across this website already, but an excellent place for a general overview of the Armenian Genocide is this FAQ. The website also has a Genocide chronology and some maps that are very useful. Another good source of Armenian Genocide information is this Wikipedia article. It's not perfect, but most of the information is accurately presented.

There are, of course, thousands of books written on the Armenian Genocide. I would recommend The Burning Tigris by Peter Balakian, for a start. You can find some commentary, excerpts, and reviews on it here.

[1.5 million]

here:

http://www.armenocide.de/armenocide/armgende.nsf/WebStart_En?OpenFrameset

Of course there is all kinds of data on the net (or better yet in books)...just what might you be looking for?

[maral_m79]

here:

http://www.armenocide.de/armenocide/armgende.nsf/WebStart_En?OpenFrameset

Of course there is all kinds of data on the net (or better yet in books)...just what might you be looking for?

I think that 1.5 million forgot to mention that the link above is to the German archive

[maral_m79]

Some Referrences

Hello people!

I have recently been gathering data about the Armenian genocide for a compilation of world events I am working on.

I have done internet searching so far. Can someone point me to some information I may not have across through simple internet searches?

Also, are there some books you would recommend.

Does anyone know of a website that deals with German archives?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome Perun,

As for general info. you can benefit this FAQ too in addition to the one that Kharpert mentioned ... If you are looking for something more specific, we'll do our best to help

About the recomended books that deals with the Armenian Genocide, there are many recomended books; for example Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies University of Minnesota had made a list of recomended resources you can find them here 1 , 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,9, 10 (includes a book about German responsibility), 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19.
As for more specific biblography, you might find those booksby Prof. Vahakn N. Dadrian, and those books by Dr. Richard G. Hovannisian , useful in your search.

And if you have more questions please don't hesitate to ask

[Perun]

There are, of course, thousands of books written on the Armenian Genocide. I would recommend The Burning Tigris by Peter Balakian, for a start. You can find some commentary, excerpts, and reviews on it

Books I am interested in, are ones that deal with masonic elements of those events. Armenian genocide is not the only thing I am working on. In fact, my colleagues and I are working on a compilation. The completed work will mostly be Russo-centric. That is most of the events will be focused on Russia, and the Russian people are our targetted audience. However, Europe, America, Ottoman empire, and others do come up. My other area is the build-up to the Bolshevik overthrow in Russia.

Thank you for the welcomes, and the links. The only thing of the above I consider useful for my purpose is the German archives website.

Anyway, does anyone have some personal opinions or knows of revealing information that deals with masonic interestes in the Armenian genocide?

Once again,

thanks in advance.

[Perun]

Maral,

Thank you for the links. I found some of this information useful.

Especially this page:

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Minnesotans_and_the_Armenian_G/minnesotans_and_the_armenian_g.html

I could use a newspaper archive like this. This is bookmarked.

By the way, what does this have to do with the Armenians? They threw in a story with the sole purpose of attacking Russia?

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narratives__Documen/Minnesotans_and_the_Armenian_G/DuluthTribune28Oct1915.pdf

[Garo G]

Books I am interested in, are ones that deal with masonic elements of those events. Armenian genocide is not the only thing I am working on. In fact, my colleagues and I are working on a compilation. The completed work will mostly be Russo-centric. That is most of the events will be focused on Russia, and the Russian people are our targetted audience. However, Europe, America, Ottoman empire, and others do come up. My other area is the build-up to the Bolshevik overthrow in Russia.

Thank you for the welcomes, and the links. The only thing of the above I consider useful for my purpose is the German archives website.

Anyway, does anyone have some personal opinions or knows of revealing information that deals with masonic interestes in the Armenian genocide?

Once again,

thanks in advance.

I just learned all this myself.

There is the book Inner Folds of the Ottoman Revolution written by Mevlan Zadeh Rifat and published in 1929, the author, a pro-sultan Turk, claims that the "Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan Jews in the format of a syncretist Jewish-Muslim sect which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam posting as Muslims. It met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient loge/hotel of Salonika." Syncretism means a combination of different forms of belief or practice; masonism fits that description.

A 1994 conference paper/lecture by Joseph Brewda of Schiller Institute entitled Palmerson launches Young Turks to permanently control Middle East claims the founder of the Young Turks to be a certain Jew by the name of Emmanuel Carasso. He states: "Carasso set up the Young Turk secret society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called 'Macedonia Resurrected.' The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members."

[...]

Mr. Brewda, ignoring the possibility that Talaat could have been a secret infiltrated Jew, writes: "Of course, there were also some Turks who helped lead the Young Turk movement. For example, Talaat Pasha. Talaat was the interior minister and dictator of the regime during World war I. He had been a member of Carasso's Italian masonic lodge in Salonika. One year prior to the 1908 coup, Talaat became the grand master of the Scottish Rite Masons in the Ottoman Empire. If you go to the [archives of] Scottish Rite headquarters in Washington, D.C., you can find that most of the Young Turk leaders were officials in the Scottish Rite."

[...]

http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/armeniangenocide.html

[Bujeg]

A photograph of the first Young Turks Congress, held in Paris

Prominent Turkish journalist Ilhami Soysal writes about the relationship between Masonry and the Committee of Union and Progress:

The Macedonia Rizorta lodge and the Veritas [Latin for "Truth"] lodge in Thessalonica where the Turks were a minority to begin with, gradually became the meeting and recruiting center of the Committee of Union and Progress, then eventually came under their control. The leaders of the Committee of Union and Progress-Talat Pasha, Mithat Sukru Bleda, Kazim Pasha, Manyasizade Refik, Kazim Nami Duru, Colonel (later MP for Mus) Naki, Drama Gendarmerie Commander Huseyin Muhittin, Financial Controller Ferit Aseo-belonged to the Macedonian Rizorta lodge. Emmanuel Karasu, Cemal Pasha, Faik Suleyman Pasha, Ismail Canbolat, Hodja Fehmi Efendi, Mustafa Dogan, Mustafa Necip (later shot dead during the raid on the Babiali), were all illuminated at the Veritas lodge. Talat Pasha, who was to become Prime Minister, and Colonel Naki were active in both the Veritas and Macedonian Rizorta lodges.

http://www.globalfreemasonry.com/knight_templars_04.html

[Armenoid]

Engers, I don't want to open up a can of worms here but if you want to read the "other" story about the Armenian Genocide (the one they don't want you to know) I suggest you read ALL the aerticles in this thread: http://www.armeniangenocide.com/foru...ead.php?t=1349

The Armenian Genocide is a reality that can not be debated