Armenian Genocide Recognition soon in America?

[TurQ]

I have not watched the movie yet. But I have watched the series "Valley of the Wolves" a few times. Its scenario is populist in nature, and the topics are chosen to attract more audience.

But I dont think the movie is anti-American, cause it focuses on the struggle between a self-appointed American commander and a Turkish intelligence officer. AS I understand it is more like struggle of two individuals.

There are also parts of the movie that gives positive message about how suicide attacks and bombings are against Islam and humanity. As this movie will be shown in Arab world as well, I believe the movie will have a positive effect on Arab world.

Heh.

Sounds like this movie is even stupider than Dunyayi Kurtaran Adam.

BBC Article

[TurQ]

By the way Cuneyt Arkin's "Dunyayi Kurtaran Adam" movie is not a serious one, it is like one of the first examples of Travesty stile movie in Turkey( I am not sure may be in the world, not familiar with movie industry).
The movie mainly critisizes the low budget and sponsorless movie industry in Turkey. Cuneyt Arkin says in an interview that, we wanted to show that with such a low budget movie we can just shoot this kind of "Space Movie".

Anyways, I have seen Dunyayi Kurtaran Adam movie even shown in US theaters, some 2-3 years ago. That was real fun

After all this movie is one of the few movies known in west

Heh.

Sounds like this movie is even stupider than Dunyayi Kurtaran Adam.

BBC Article

[maral_m79]

Well I think Turkish actions have shown that one thing that can always be counted on is for Turkey to do the stupid thing.

With certain people protecting their back, Turks will get away with this movie thing, just like how they got away with refusing to open their boarders for American troops to enter Iraq!!! Bargning for the price in exchage for that favour, people thought that Turkey had lost their American ally ... but surprisingly ... that was all forgiven !

[TurQ]

Movie and border issue? How are they related? Movie is a private production and actually Hollywood co-production.

Dont exagrate things. It is interesting that Armenians are trying to find any opportunity tp shame Turkey in US, even try to utilze a movie

Now the Americans will get angry and the public pressure will effect the senators etc but at the end of the day the representatives in the parliment
"once again" bow down pressure from Turkey and act against the will of the public

Nice theories

The movie just a movie, a populist one, and actually it critisizes the suicide attacks etc, and just vilifies a self-appointed racist commander. I have not yet watch the movie but as I understand the movie makes a clear distinction between a racist commander and US.

With certain people protecting their back, Turks will get away with this movie thing, just like how they got away with refusing to open their boarders for American troops to enter Iraq!!! Bargning for the price in exchage for that favour, people thought that Turkey had lost their American ally ... but surprisingly ... that was all forgiven !

[maral_m79]

TurQ,

What I said was not about the relation between the movie and the boarders, if you are not SO DEFENSIVE ... you would've understood what I was talking about.

If "Blocking American's Way To Iraq" by Turkish refusal to open their "Southern" boarders to allow the American troops to enter Iraq ...If that did not piss USA enough to "STOP" considering Turkey as an ally... I don't think that a stupid movie will do !!

Am I expressing my self better now ??

[TurQ]

Maral

Sorry I was being sarcastic this time

You still didnt watch the movie why do you think it is stupid?

TurQ,

What I said was not about the relation between the movie and the boarders, if you are not SO DEFENSIVE ... you would've understood what I was talking about.

If "Blocking American's Way To Iraq" by Turkish refusal to open their "Southern" boarders to allow the American troops to enter Iraq ...If that did not piss USA enough to "STOP" considering Turkey as an ally... I don't think that a stupid movie will do !!

Am I expressing my self better now ??

[TurQ]

Valley of the Wolves-Iraq Movie

Here are some quick links

http://www.valleyofthewolvesiraq.com/high/main.html

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/

I have watched the series(not the movie) a few times. It basis on current events mixes with conspiracy theories. I personally didnt enjoy cause in the series it gives a negative message that, unlawful things can be done in name of saving the state. Even though the intend is different, cause the scenario is based on an international conspiracy targets Turkey, a mafia related internatinal conspiracy and legal means are not enough to envounter this threat and a group of intelligence officers leak into that mafia and tries to prevent their actions etc.

Maral

Sorry I was being sarcastic this time

You still didnt watch the movie why do you think it is stupid?

[Gondorian]

TurQ if the series you saw was not the anti-semitic and heavily anti-American Anglophobic thing the movie is then obviously the only thing they have in common is the name right?

Another thing that you forgot to mention is that in Turkey there are laws against hate speech, which the movie qualifies as, and so it being allowed shows aproval from the government and through that the people. However in the United States there are no laws against Hate Speech, which means American Movies unlike Turkish Movies are not aproved by anyone but the film makers. Apparently the only thing Erdogan thinks qualifies as hate speech is recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

[TurQ]

You havent watch the movieyet how do you colclude that the movie is inciting hatred?

The person who was suposed to play the Jewish doctor in the movie says, that doctor is not portrayed as jewish. I didnt watch it yet but that person says nobody mentions that the doctor is Jewish. I amcurious too, I'll watch when it comes to theaters in US.

You probably did not read what I have wrote, the movie is about the struggle between a Turkish intelligence officer and a self-appointed far right christian American commander. This is not targeting Americans or American people. You are talking with some assumptions which are not correct.
And the movie clearly condemns and tells that any kidn of suicide bombing can not be jsutified, and can not be means for struggle.

DO you think this message is good or bad?

TurQ if the series you saw was not the anti-semitic and heavily anti-American Anglophobic thing the movie is then obviously the only thing they have in common is the name right?

Another thing that you forgot to mention is that in Turkey there are laws against hate speech, which the movie qualifies as, and so it being allowed shows aproval from the government and through that the people. However in the United States there are no laws against Hate Speech, which means American Movies unlike Turkish Movies are not aproved by anyone but the film makers. Apparently the only thing Erdogan thinks qualifies as hate speech is recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

[phantom]

You havent watch the movieyet how do you colclude that the movie is inciting hatred?

The person who was suposed to play the Jewish doctor in the movie says, that doctor is not portrayed as jewish. I didnt watch it yet but that person says nobody mentions that the doctor is Jewish. I amcurious too, I'll watch when it comes to theaters in US.

You probably did not read what I have wrote, the movie is about the struggle between a Turkish intelligence officer and a self-appointed far right christian American commander. This is not targeting Americans or American people. You are talking with some assumptions which are not correct.
And the movie clearly condemns and tells that any kidn of suicide bombing can not be jsutified, and can not be means for struggle.

DO you think this message is good or bad?

I thought you said you hadn't seen it either. So how do you know that it doesn't "incite hatred"? Apparently, it takes very little to incite hatred in Turkey. After all, Pamuk merely said that 1 million Armenians and 30 thousands Kurds were killed in Turkey, and that was enough to start a case against him. I understand that the movie has an American doctor who harvests organs from dead Iraqis and sends them to Israel. If merely saying that 1 million Armenians and 30 thousands Kurds is inciting ethnic hatred in the eyes of the authorities in Turkey, then surely saying that Americans are harvesting organs from Iraqis and using them in Israel incites ethnic hatred. I think that's the point that Gondorian is trying to make.