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  • #21
    Anti-semitic or not, do I really need to remind you who are posting here of this:

    http://www.armeniangenocide.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10772&postcount=3


    change the topic now please-thats a warning...

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    • #22
      Hovik

      What I originally said had to do with the Armenian Genocide, I mentioned the records of the German and Austrian Embassies of World War One revealed that the Young Turks wanted to kill the Jews as well as the Christians, but got prevented from doing so by pressure from the German and Austrian Ambassadors.

      The reason I brought that up was just to reinforce my original point that Islam was a major factor in deciding who was to be killed in the Armenian Genocide, and who was to be sparred, since in my opinion it isn't possible that the list of those the Young Turks wanted to kill all happened to be non Muslims, and the list of who to spare all happened to be Muslims.

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      • #23
        What a scenario!
        Craft my friend, craft more to fit the history for your purpose. Now the Jews,
        craft it it until you make it look like your famous "islamofacist" toy.

        May be some day you would try to read Talat's memoirs saying he is not a believer of Islam. Then I'll wonder what else you would use for crafting.

        And may be some day you would bother to tell us what Greeks and Russians did to their non Christians, in case little shame still remains in you.

        Originally posted by Gondorian
        Hovik

        What I originally said had to do with the Armenian Genocide, I mentioned the records of the German and Austrian Embassies of World War One revealed that the Young Turks wanted to kill the Jews as well as the Christians, but got prevented from doing so by pressure from the German and Austrian Ambassadors.

        The reason I brought that up was just to reinforce my original point that Islam was a major factor in deciding who was to be killed in the Armenian Genocide, and who was to be sparred, since in my opinion it isn't possible that the list of those the Young Turks wanted to kill all happened to be non Muslims, and the list of who to spare all happened to be Muslims.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by TurQ
          What a scenario!
          Craft my friend, craft more to fit the history for your purpose. Now the Jews,
          craft it it until you make it look like your famous "islamofacist" toy.

          May be some day you would try to read Talat's memoirs saying he is not a believer of Islam. Then I'll wonder what else you would use for crafting.

          And may be some day you would bother to tell us what Greeks and Russians did to their non Christians, in case little shame still remains in you.
          It is in the records of the American Embassy, and Turkey's own records as well as German and Austrian Records, and remember America was Nuetral towards Turkey, while Germany and Austria both where allies.

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          • #25
            So?
            Lets see those records about Jews being ill-treated by CUP.
            Just a quick reminder, thousands of Jews had been accepted by Ottomans in early 1910s who immigrated because of ZsaristRussian ill-treatment.

            Anyways doesnt really worth to answer these allegations, you already shaped your mindset to find some "islamo-facism". May be your subcouncious severly suffers from your own history of anti-semitism thats why you are trying to divert it towards Turks.


            Originally posted by Gondorian
            It is in the records of the American Embassy, and Turkey's own records as well as German and Austrian Records, and remember America was Nuetral towards Turkey, while Germany and Austria both where allies.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by TurQ
              So?
              Lets see those records about Jews being ill-treated by CUP.
              Just a quick reminder, thousands of Jews had been accepted by Ottomans in early 1910s who immigrated because of ZsaristRussian ill-treatment.

              Anyways dont really worth to answer these allegations, you already shaped your mindset to find some "islamo-facism". May be your subcouncious severly suffers from your own history of anti-semitism thats why you are trying to divert it towards Turks.
              CUP took power in 1913, they are three years too late to claim credit for accepting the jews fleeing the Tsars.

              Just take the time to read what the ancient Embassy Records have to say about it, and also ask yourself, if Turkey has nothing to hide why won't it open it's own records to the Public?

              Just what is Turkey hiding?

              Turkey also accepted many of the Spanish Jews good job Turkey, however that has no relevance to the Armenian Genocide, what the CUP wanted to do to the jews in 1915 however is relevant.

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              • #27
                I am talking about CUP period as well
                Specifically 1914

                Turkey's records are broadly open.
                Take your time and learn Ottoman and do your own research.
                Or ask Turkish Jews on that specific allegations of ill-treatment.
                https://www.musevicemaati.com


                Compare Jewish life elsewhere in the world against the Jews of Ottoman State.



                Originally posted by Gondorian
                CUP took power in 1913, they are three years too late to claim credit for accepting the jews fleeing the Tsars.

                Just take the time to read what the ancient Embassy Records have to say about it, and also ask yourself, if Turkey has nothing to hide why won't it open it's own records to the Public?

                Just what is Turkey hiding?

                Turkey also accepted many of the Spanish Jews good job Turkey, however that has no relevance to the Armenian Genocide, what the CUP wanted to do to the jews in 1915 however is relevant.

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                • #28
                  You guys are interesting

                  Some of you claim CUP is of Jewish origin and Jewish conspiracy is behind CUP policies. The others think CUP was a ultra-nationalist NAzi like party, so they are also anti-semitic(in order to suit the Nazi scenario).

                  Wondering where this absurdity arise from!

                  As I said get your answer directly from Turkish Jews, or the Turkish Jews living in Israel.



                  Originally posted by Gondorian
                  CUP took power in 1913, they are three years too late to claim credit for accepting the jews fleeing the Tsars.

                  Just take the time to read what the ancient Embassy Records have to say about it, and also ask yourself, if Turkey has nothing to hide why won't it open it's own records to the Public?

                  Just what is Turkey hiding?

                  Turkey also accepted many of the Spanish Jews good job Turkey, however that has no relevance to the Armenian Genocide, what the CUP wanted to do to the jews in 1915 however is relevant.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by TurQ
                    You guys are interesting

                    Some of you claim CUP is of Jewish origin and Jewish conspiracy is behind CUP policies. The others think CUP was a ultra-nationalist NAzi like party, so they are also anti-semitic(in order to suit the Nazi scenario).

                    Wondering where this absurdity arise from!

                    As I said get your answer directly from Turkish Jews, or the Turkish Jews living in Israel.
                    But had the CUP been overthrown in 1914 the Christian Population would never have known a Genocide was planned, so would tell you the CUP was good.

                    I agree with you, there was no jewish origin to the CUP, or Jewish Conspiracy, or any Jewish Connection whatsoever.

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                    • #30
                      I just posted the link to the rules about Jew-related discussion in the forum!

                      Now, count how many times after my post and before this one that the word "Jew" was used!

                      Next person to perpetuate Jew-related talk in the forum (regardless of what side of the issue you're on) gets banned...period.

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