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    The Policy of Turkification of Iran

    The Policy of Turkification of Iran

    The policies of Turkification targets the Persian minority and tries to destroy the Persians as an ethnic minority and replace them with Turks. The policy is based in destroying the structure of Iranian population where Azeris live in separate and far away provinces from provinces where Persians live and tries to mix the Azeri population with Persian population.

    To explain what is the Azeri regime in Tehran one have to compare them to the Nazi Germany. The Azeris nationalist have dropped the banner of Islam a long time ago. They are replacing Islam with Pan-Iranism. Their Pan-Iranism is an Iranian version of Pan-Turkism. They have created something called the Iranian race. Their Iranian race is the Azeri turks and the mixed race segments of Tehran's population. Unlike the Nazi Germany which believed in the superiority of German Race, the ruling Azeri regime in Tehran believes in the inferiority of the Azeri Turkish race. This is nazism in reverse. So they believe that to improve the Azeri race they mix Azeris with Persians. They officially call this agenda for "The Aryanization of Azeri Turks into Aryans".

    The Policy of Turkification of Iran
    http://azeriturks.blogspot.com/
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    I hope that your end-of-the-month paycheck fron the CIA had a bonus - as a reward for all the work you've done in posting this sort of stuff in lots of different forums.
    Plenipotentiary meow!

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    • #3
      Small world!

      I was directed to Oslonor's blog by a Nazi user (banned) in this forum sometime ago.

      I read the article. It was dubious to say the least.
      I posted two messages on his Visitor's Comments page, which he removed later.

      He replied the first message though where

      I. he categorically denied the Iranian ethnicity of the people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan).

      II. He was "convinced" that a nation named "Azeri" really existed.

      III. He claimed that a language called "Azeri", spoken by a nation called "Azeri" existed.

      In my first message I asked whether he was a racist. He denies it but he depicts the Iranians (or Persians) as being "white" Europeans and that any Iranian with dark hair is in fact not an Iranian.

      You should also know that he tells us that he himself is not an Iranian but has an Iranian girlfriend.

      I wonder whether the material in his blog is put in his head by his allegedly Iranian girlfriend or he is just a Gray Wolf "Azeri" in disguise.

      Oslonor, I give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are not a Gray Wolf, just know that what you say is perfectly in line with the pan-turkist ideology, so you'd better reconsider what you propagate.
      Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

      I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
      II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
      III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
      IV. They shut up and say nothing.

      [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hellektor
        I was directed to Oslonor's blog by a Nazi user (banned) in this forum sometime ago.

        I read the article. It was dubious to say the least.
        I posted two messages on his Visitor's Comments page, which he removed later.

        He replied the first message though where

        I. he categorically denied the Iranian ethnicity of the people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan).

        II. He was "convinced" that a nation named "Azeri" really existed.

        III. He claimed that a language called "Azeri", spoken by a nation called "Azeri" existed.

        In my first message I asked whether he was a racist. He denies it but he depicts the Iranians (or Persians) as being "white" Europeans and that any Iranian with dark hair is in fact not an Iranian.

        You should also know that he tells us that he himself is not an Iranian but has an Iranian girlfriend.

        I wonder whether the material in his blog is put in his head by his allegedly Iranian girlfriend or he is just a Gray Wolf "Azeri" in disguise.

        Oslonor, I give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are not a Gray Wolf, just know that what you say is perfectly in line with the pan-turkist ideology, so you'd better reconsider what you propagate.
        Very childish comments. Armenians know these Azeris very well. Try to argue based on facts. Do not bring irrelavant explanations such as Nazis and Grey Wolves!!!! Actually I saw Mr. James "Nazi" post. He might have been a Nazi or a Jew. But his post is also very childish.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by oslonor
          Very childish comments. Armenians know these Azeris very well. Try to argue based on facts. Do not bring irrelavant explanations such as Nazis and Grey Wolves!!!!
          You are just avoiding my comments.
          I have treated you with respect and have given you the benefit of the doubt.

          If you want a discussion then answer my comments.
          My "childishness" is not the issue.

          Once more:

          I. A nation called "Azeri" has never existed in human history, on this planet at least.

          II. A language called "Azeri", describing a Turkish dialect has never existed.

          Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects. Later when the people of Aturpatekan were forced to become speakers of Turkish, the word Azari was wrongly attributed to the Turkish dialect of these people, AND NEVER TO THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.

          III. The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are the descendants of the Medes who were turkified under the rule of Turkish conquerors. It was a slow process and until recently, there were still people in the real Azarbaijan who spoke the Pahlavi e Azari.
          It's said that they can still be found in places that are hard to reach.
          It is true that some mixing with the Turks has occured, but race is not an issue. The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians, with Iranian mentality, Iranian patriotism and Iranian customs.

          If you mean well, you should do some more serious research and stop being a tool in the hands of pan-turkists, if you aren't one.

          Which part of this you don't understand?
          Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

          I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
          II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
          III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
          IV. They shut up and say nothing.

          [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hellektor
            You are just avoiding my comments.
            I have treated you with respect and have given you the benefit of the doubt.

            If you want a discussion then answer my comments.
            My "childishness" is not the issue.

            Once more:

            I. A nation called "Azeri" has never existed in human history, on this planet at least.

            II. A language called "Azeri", describing a Turkish dialect has never existed.

            Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects. Later when the people of Aturpatekan were forced to become speakers of Turkish, the word Azari was wrongly attributed to the Turkish dialect of these people, AND NEVER TO THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.

            III. The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are the descendants of the Medes who were turkified under the rule of Turkish conquerors. It was a slow process and until recently, there were still people in the real Azarbaijan who spoke the Pahlavi e Azari.
            It's said that they can still be found in places that are hard to reach.
            It is true that some mixing with the Turks has occured, but race is not an issue. The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians, with Iranian mentality, Iranian patriotism and Iranian customs.

            If you mean well, you should do some more serious research and stop being a tool in the hands of pan-turkists, if you aren't one.

            Which part of this you don't understand?
            I quote for you from Wikepedia. Azeri claim some Persian heroes who fought against Arab occupation as Azeris. Actually those people were Persians and Azeris were not in Persia at that time. One of them is Babak Khoramdin a Persian hero:

            Wikepedia Text:
            Wikepedia:
            Some Turkish nationalists claim that Bābak was an Azeri-Turk. On the other hand, Persian nationalists retain the established opinion that he was Persian and that at the time of Bābak, the Turks had not yet migrated to Azerbaijan.

            According to the Persian point of view, however Babak's (more correctly Pāpag) name, is purely from Persian (Iranian) origins. Turkic peoples migrated to Azarbayjan several centuries later. Bābak was a follower of Zoroastrian Persians and Abu Muslim of Khurassan. There are no proofs for a Turkish background. As mentioned in the main entry, the claim that he was Turk is recent and propagated mostly by Pan-Turkists. In early history books, there is no mention that he was Turk. He has always been known as a patriot Iranian and Zoroastrian. Even the name of the province, Azarbayjan is Arabicized form of Persian word Azarpadgan meaning the Place of Guardians of Holy Fire (Azar=fire, pad=guard, gan=suffix indicating a place). Ancient Arab historian Ibn Hazm in the book "Religion and People" and ancient Armenian historian Vardan in his "World History" clearly and explicitly mentioned Babak as being Persian. There is no sources that claim otherwise. The name of Babak's father was Mardas, his mother in sources has been called Mah-roo. Both names are Persian. The mentor of Babak was Javidanpoor Shahrak, which is another Persian name. Also the two most important commanders of Babak, Adhin and Rostam, were ethnic Persians. Finally the name Tarkhan is also mentioned as "Tarhan" (which is an Arabic word) in some sources. Besides this, the name also occurs in the Shahnameh and some sources mention that the Soghdian rulers of Samarghand went by this name. So this was a general military title. Finally it should be mentioned that there is no trace of Turkish in Azarbaijan before the Ilkhanid era on paper, rock, leather, inscription, etc and all sources at that time mention that Azarbaijan spoke Azar-Pahlavi (the local dialect of middle Persian) as it continues today in Talyshi, Kurdish, Tati and other NW Iranian languages. Due to the invasion of Oghuz tribes, Seljuqs, Mongols, Ilkhanid, Teymurid, Black Sheep Turkomens and finally the Turcophone Safavid dynasty who imported Turkomens from Anatolia, this region became predominately Turkic speaking. But all this was after the time of Babak.

            Babak Khorramdin - Wikipedia
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babak_Khorramdin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oslonor
              I quote for you from Wikepedia. Azeri claim some Persian heroes who fought against Arab occupation as Azeris. Actually those people were Persians and Azeris were not in Persia at that time. One of them is Babak Khoramdin a Persian hero:

              Wikepedia Text:
              Wikepedia:
              Some Turkish nationalists claim that Bābak was an Azeri-Turk. On the other hand, Persian nationalists retain the established opinion that he was Persian and that at the time of Bābak, the Turks had not yet migrated to Azerbaijan. (That's what I've been saying all along!!! H.)

              According to the Persian point of view, however Babak's (more correctly Pāpag) name, is purely from Persian (Iranian) origins. Turkic peoples migrated to Azarbayjan several centuries later. Bābak was a follower of Zoroastrian Persians and Abu Muslim of Khurassan. There are no proofs for a Turkish background. As mentioned in the main entry, the claim that he was Turk is recent and propagated mostly by Pan-Turkists. (That's what I've been saying all along!!! H.) In early history books, there is no mention that he was Turk. He has always been known as a patriot Iranian and Zoroastrian. Even the name of the province, Azarbayjan is Arabicized form of Persian word Azarpadgan (and originally Aturpatekan, That's what I've been saying all along!!! H.) meaning the Place of Guardians of Holy Fire (Azar=fire, pad=guard, gan=suffix indicating a place). Ancient Arab historian Ibn Hazm in the book "Religion and People" and ancient Armenian historian Vardan in his "World History" clearly and explicitly mentioned Babak as being Persian. There is no sources that claim otherwise. The name of Babak's father was Mardas, his mother in sources has been called Mah-roo. Both names are Persian. The mentor of Babak was Javidanpoor Shahrak, which is another Persian name. Also the two most important commanders of Babak, Adhin and Rostam, were ethnic Persians. Finally the name Tarkhan is also mentioned as "Tarhan" (which is an Arabic word) in some sources. Besides this, the name also occurs in the Shahnameh and some sources mention that the Soghdian rulers of Samarghand went by this name. So this was a general military title. Finally it should be mentioned that there is no trace of Turkish in Azarbaijan before the Ilkhanid era on paper, rock, leather, inscription, etc and all sources at that time mention that Azarbaijan spoke Azar-Pahlavi (the local dialect of middle Persian) as it continues today in Talyshi, Kurdish, Tati and other NW Iranian languages. (That's what I've been saying all along!!! H.) Due to the invasion of Oghuz tribes, Seljuqs, Mongols, Ilkhanid, Teymurid, Black Sheep Turkomens and finally the Turcophone Safavid dynasty who imported Turkomens from Anatolia, this region became predominately Turkic speaking. But all this was after the time of Babak.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babak_Khorramdin
              Oslonor, I really don't know why you are telling me all this.
              Are you reading my posts?

              Your quote from wiki says exactly the same things I've been always posting. So what's your point?

              I say:
              I. A nation called "Azeri" has never existed in human history, on this planet at least.

              II. A language called "Azeri", describing a Turkish dialect has never existed.

              Compare:
              I say:
              Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects.

              You say (quote):
              ...sources at that time mention that Azarbaijan spoke Azar-Pahlavi (the local dialect of middle Persian) as it continues today in Talyshi, Kurdish, Tati and other NW Iranian languages.

              (Almost the same things.)

              Of course Babak is Persian. It's Turks that are claiming everything in the universe is Turkish not me.

              Please explain your point.
              Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

              I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
              II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
              III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
              IV. They shut up and say nothing.

              [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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              • #8
                The Persians are a majority in Iran, and are infact persecuting the Turkish, Kurdish, and Azeri Minorities, not the other way around.

                Iran is being Turkified?

                In peoples dreams perhaps, but not in reality.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hellektor
                  Oslonor, I really don't know why you are telling me all this.
                  Are you reading my posts?

                  Your quote from wiki says exactly the same things I've been always posting. So what's your point?

                  I say:
                  I. A nation called "Azeri" has never existed in human history, on this planet at least.

                  II. A language called "Azeri", describing a Turkish dialect has never existed.

                  Compare:
                  I say:
                  Azari is a term used by Arab historians to describe the LANGUAGE of the people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan), north-west of Iran and ALWAYS south of the Arax River. It was a language of the PERSIAN family of languages called Pahlavi. The dialect spoken in Aturpatekan was called Pahlavi e Azari, to distinguish it from other Pahlavi dialects.

                  You say (quote):
                  ...sources at that time mention that Azarbaijan spoke Azar-Pahlavi (the local dialect of middle Persian) as it continues today in Talyshi, Kurdish, Tati and other NW Iranian languages.

                  (Almost the same things.)

                  Of course Babak is Persian. It's Turks that are claiming everything in the universe is Turkish not me.

                  Please explain your point.
                  Actually Azeris who came to the area at the time killed many original inhabitants of these areas such as Kurds as Persians. Even today there is a lot of animosity between Azeris and Kurds due to these historical events. Also Azeris are turks and not Iranians. Azeris do not look like Kurds or Persians. Also ask Azeris themselves. They will tell you they are turks and not Iranians.

                  Persian Phenotypes
                  http://oslonor.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=af&action=display&thread=1132222702


                  Azeri Phenotypes
                  http://oslonor.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=az&action=display&thread=1140744403

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gondorian
                    The Persians are a majority in Iran, and are infact persecuting the Turkish, Kurdish, and Azeri Minorities, not the other way around.

                    Iran is being Turkified?

                    In peoples dreams perhaps, but not in reality.
                    Actually Persians are a minority. Azeris are %35 to %45 of the population in Iran according to many sources. The CIA estimates are not correct as many Azeris claim they are Persians. Persians are around %25 to %30 of the population. All the leaders of Iran are Azeris.

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