The Policy of Turkification of Iran

[imported_Hellektor]

The Persians are a majority in Iran, and are infact persecuting the Turkish, Kurdish, and Azeri Minorities, not the other way around.

Iran is being Turkified?

In peoples dreams perhaps, but not in reality.

There is no such thing as an "Azeri" minority in Iran. Unless you are misinformed, you must be a pan-turkist Gray Wolf by saying this.

The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians. So stop "defending" the "rights" of "abused" minorities in Iran.

Read this article to be enlightened.

P.S. Who are the "Turkish minority" and how are they different from the ""Azeri" minority"

[Gondorian]

If Turks and Azeris are the same like your article claims why do they consider themselves to be different ethnicities?

I do not agree with the pan turanism, or Turks, and would you care to show me how that link of yours contradicted what I said?

I did not see anything I said contradicted by your article.

[imported_oslonor]

There is no such thing as an "Azeri" minority in Iran. Unless you are misinformed, you must be a pan-turkist Gray Wolf by saying this.

The people of the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians. So stop "defending" the "rights" of "abused" minorities in Iran.

Read this article to be enlightened.

P.S. Who are the "Turkish minority" and how are they different from the ""Azeri" minority"

First of all do not label people. Try to discuss the facts. It is very simple for others to label you too (Azeri, Jew whatever). I have posted the picture of Azeris and Persians. They have different origin. Not only that, Azeris have a different culture from Persians. Azeris have a culture from Caucasus. Persians have a central asian culture. Ask any Afghan. Afghans will tell you that Azeris have a different culture from Afghans even if they speak the same Farsi or Dari language. They can recognize a Persian from Khorasan from an Azeri in Tabriz or Tehran. The problem with the article that you have posted is he is trying to mix up Persians and Azeri turks under the banner of fighting Pan-Turkism. We think Azeris presenting themselves as Persians is a form of an "Iranian Pan-Turkism" promoted by Azeris in Iran.

[imported_oslonor]

If Turks and Azeris are the same like your article claims why do they consider themselves to be different ethnicities?

I do not agree with the pan turanism, or Turks, and would you care to show me how that link of yours contradicted what I said?

I did not see anything I said contradicted by your article.

Azeris are not Anatolian turks. There is a big difference between them. Azeris belong to the turkish family of Altai-Uralic people related to Turkomans. Are you talking about Kaveh Farrokh article? He is trying to present Azeris as some kind of Iranian people indistinguishable form Persians. That is just nonsense.

[imported_oslonor]

I hope that your end-of-the-month paycheck fron the CIA had a bonus - as a reward for all the work you've done in posting this sort of stuff in lots of different forums.

Actually if you read my blog, my positions is similar to Russians. Check the Rise of Afghan Empire.

[imported_oslonor]

Azeri Views on Persians:

You're a moron. Us Persians don't need white people like you telling us who we are. We KNOW who we are. We don't WANT to be white. Europeans are NOT Aryan. You never were, and you never will be. Aryans today are Persian, Afghan, Indian, And Pakistani. And WE ARE NOT WHITE. AND WE ARE PROUD. The only racist person I see here is you, NOT HOLLYWOOD. You seem so ashamed of the fact that your wife is not white, that you will try anything in your power to get her to be white. NEWSFLASH: The myth that Germans are Aryan has been proven false COUNTLESS times. There is NO Indo-European race. The Aryan race was INDO-IRANIAN.

Persians and Iranians don't like Europeans, we don't care about Europeans, our culture is completely different than Europeans. WE ARE NOT LIKE YOU. GIVE IT A REST.

YES, PERSIANS DO LOOK VASTLY DIFFERENT. Even Dariush, the Shah of Iran had bushy, curly, black hair, and light brown skin, with a hooked nose. You're a d**n idiot.

ARYANS ARE NOT EUROPEAN, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR STUPID SKULL.

When will white people stop trying to be Iranian?

And I hope you know that those pictures you posted are mostly of Iranian girls who have had nose jobs, tatooted their eyebrows, and dyed their hair. It's very popular to do those things in Iran, if you knew anything about Iran, you would know that. Get a life.

It's very easy to go through a bunch of pictures of a group of people and pick out 5 that look "white" and then post them and come to a conclusion.

you're an idiot.

Indo-European is a lie.

A lot of Iranians have Arab blood. Arabs and Iranians have been in contact with eachother for thousands of years, it's natural.

Hhahahah I can't believe you're basing your facts on what a few stupid German philosophers believed in the 19th century. YOU'RE BASING YOUR FACTS ON NAZISM.

I'm sorry to tell you, but you're quite late. It has already been proved that the links that were made between Germans and Iranians were false. Germans are not Aryan in any way.

If an Iranian ever tells you that he or she is white, it is because they are ashamed of themselves because people like you make it a bad thing for dark people in the world to be dark-skinned and dark-haired. Same reason why so many blacks in the States claim to have "Native" blood. Grow up and realize that Europeans are not Aryan. HITLER WAS WRONG, THE NAZIS WERE WRONG, AND YOU ARE WRONG TOO.

Oslonor Comments: You are an Azeri Turk and you make up all this to be able to hide yourself behind the label of Persian. Sorry those pictures are the picutres of live Persians. Azeris look different from Persians.

Persians and Afghans

http://oslonor.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=af&action=display&;thread=1132222702

Azeris

http://oslonor.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=az&action=display&;thread=1140744403

[imported_oslonor]

This is our view on Azeris:

Also note that we do not consider Iran and social forces running Iran in terms of religion i.e. secular versus religious, or in terms of ethnicity such as Turks and Persians but in terms of culture.

Azeris are turks and their culture is similar to the culture in Caucasus. Azeri Turk culture is not indigenous to Iran. Turkomans and Uzbeks are also Turks but they have a Central Asian culture. Turkomans and Uzbeks are indigenous to Iran. Also people from Isfhan might be Persianized Turks or non-turks but culturally they are considered as Turks from Caucasus. Furthermore people who have the culture of Tehran are considered as Turks. What language these people speak is not relevant to the determination of culture and the identity of these people.

[imported_Hellektor]

As far as oslonor is concerned, I see three possibilities:

I. either he is a pan-turkist disguised as (I really can't figure out) someone opposed to a fictitious "people" called "Azeri".

II. or he is confused and doesn't know what he's talking about, because no matter how many times I clearly explain that a nation called "Azeri" is a fabrication and has never existed throughout history, he keeps on sendind unintelligible messages.
I really don't understand whose side he's on.

III. or he is just pulling our legs and is having fun!

To your post:

If Turks and Azeris are the same like your article claims why do they consider themselves to be different ethnicities?

I do not agree with the pan turanism, or Turks, and would you care to show me how that link of yours contradicted what I said?

I did not see anything I said contradicted by your article.

I don't know whether you are addressing oslonor or me, since you haven't used QUOTE tags.

If by "your article" and "that link of yours" you are talking to me, I can't believe you read that article in such a short time.
It's consisted of five parts, it is completely exhaustive and covers all areas regarding the question.

If you want my explanation, for the thousandth time:

Turks are not a race.
By Turks I mean the invading nomads who pillaged this side of the Caspian after the 11th century A.D.
They "conquered" the areas from the Caucasus to Asia Minor and forced their language and Turkic identity on the conquered, indigenous peoples through rape, harassment, genocide, taxes, janissary "recruitments", stealing of women as sex slaves, stealing of children, etc.
The fake nation, "Azeris" are also the same as Turks. They are not an ethnicity.
The people of the REAL Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) however, are the descendants of the Medes (an Iranian people), who became speakers of Turkish under the rule of Turkic invaders. They are Iranians racially, culturally and in mentality and they consider themselves Iranians.
Now, if you had read the article you would have found out that "...Persia is not confined by linear conceptions such as “race”, “language” or even “culture”. An Iranian can just as easily be speaking Arabic in Khuzistan, Baluchi in Zahedan, or Turkish in Maragheh."
Iran is not Turkey, so do not project.
In Turkey EVERYBODY is a Turk and if they refuse to consider themselves as such, they will be exterminated like the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians in 1915.

In Iran it is impossible to tell whether one is completely Persian or has Azarbaijani (Turkish speaking Iranian) "mixed" in their blood.
Almost anybody that I know will tell you: "my mother is a Tork (the word for Turkish speaking Iranian) and my father is a Lur", "I am Fars and my wife is Tork", "I am Kurdish and my husband is Fars" and so on, if they are asked.
It doesn't mean that it matters much, but that's what you hear all the time.

There is no distinction or discrimination among different "ethnicities" in Iran.
This is the secret that this country has survived against the odds and such different peoples of immense diversity have lived in harmony together for such a long time.

The article, which neither you nor oslonor have read, clearly explains all of this and also exposes the enemies of Iran, the pan-turkists, who are trying to destroy this harmony.

Because destroy is what Turks do and they do it like no other.

[imported_Hellektor]

Azeri Views on Persians:

You're a moron. Us Persians don't need white people like you telling us who we are. We KNOW who we are. We don't WANT to be white. Europeans are NOT Aryan. You never were, and you never will be. Aryans today are Persian, Afghan, Indian, And Pakistani. And WE ARE NOT WHITE. AND WE ARE PROUD. The only racist person I see here is you, NOT HOLLYWOOD. You seem so ashamed of the fact that your wife is not white, that you will try anything in your power to get her to be white. NEWSFLASH: The myth that Germans are Aryan has been proven false COUNTLESS times. There is NO Indo-European race. The Aryan race was INDO-IRANIAN.

Persians and Iranians don't like Europeans, we don't care about Europeans, our culture is completely different than Europeans. WE ARE NOT LIKE YOU. GIVE IT A REST.

YES, PERSIANS DO LOOK VASTLY DIFFERENT. Even Dariush, the Shah of Iran had bushy, curly, black hair, and light brown skin, with a hooked nose. You're a d**n idiot.

ARYANS ARE NOT EUROPEAN, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR STUPID SKULL.

When will white people stop trying to be Iranian?

And I hope you know that those pictures you posted are mostly of Iranian girls who have had nose jobs, tatooted their eyebrows, and dyed their hair. It's very popular to do those things in Iran, if you knew anything about Iran, you would know that. Get a life.

It's very easy to go through a bunch of pictures of a group of people and pick out 5 that look "white" and then post them and come to a conclusion.

you're an idiot.

Indo-European is a lie.

A lot of Iranians have Arab blood. Arabs and Iranians have been in contact with eachother for thousands of years, it's natural.

Hhahahah I can't believe you're basing your facts on what a few stupid German philosophers believed in the 19th century. YOU'RE BASING YOUR FACTS ON NAZISM.

I'm sorry to tell you, but you're quite late. It has already been proved that the links that were made between Germans and Iranians were false. Germans are not Aryan in any way.

If an Iranian ever tells you that he or she is white, it is because they are ashamed of themselves because people like you make it a bad thing for dark people in the world to be dark-skinned and dark-haired. Same reason why so many blacks in the States claim to have "Native" blood. Grow up and realize that Europeans are not Aryan. HITLER WAS WRONG, THE NAZIS WERE WRONG, AND YOU ARE WRONG TOO.

Except for the "Azeri Views on Persians:" part in this post, and ignoring the cussing, almost every single quote is absolutely true.

Can you prove any of them wrong?
The part IR in Iran is the same as Arya or Aryan.
It's the name of one of Fereiduns three sons, Iraj who is the ancestor of the Iranians, according to Iranian mythology.
Hitler misused this and his crap has been proved to be just that.
The term Indo/European is meaningless, just like the terms anti-semite, Eastern Anatolia and so on.
Dark hair people are equally human beings as lighter hair people.
I still don't know whose side you're on. I don't even know why I care!

[Gavur]

Uninteligigble statemants usually directly corolates to Turcic upbringing.