The Policy of Turkification of Iran

[Effendi]

I don't buy the whole anti-Semite crap.
Like all the other Zionist creations, this is nonsense:

Firstly:It implies that we have to believe their mythology about Noah (copied from the Iranian mythology of Fereidun and his three sons, who contrary to the plagiarized version were of the same Iranian race).
I don't believe in such thing as Semites or Japhetites, etc.

Secondly: When I was a kid and I heard the term for the first time, I thought it meant someone who is against Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, etc. When I found out that it only meant Jews I was astonished.
It's clear that for their emotional blackmail they had to avoid using the word Jew, so anti-Semite was invented to mean anti-Jewish. I wonder why.

I agree, it's pure nonsense. Although it does imply the Noah and Shem thing, the jews have been playing their usual games with that too. When convinient, they claim jews are a race and other times it's a religion. In the same way, they are claiming that "semite" refers to a group of people who speak semitic languages and not a group of people who belong to semitic tribes, but they're doing this only to cause confusion to those who question the validity of the term "anti-semite" and to distance themselves from the Arabs who are their cousins, which they hate to admit.

The term itself can only mean someone who is against, jews, Arabs, Assyrians etc and you understood the term properly (which shown that you were a thinking person even as a kid), whereas most people don't understand anything and eat up everything fed to them via the jew controlled media in particular and the brainwashing facilities aka the American Education System.

You are absolutely right about the way they they use that term to avoid using the word jew. They claim that the term was invented as a more "euphonius" way of saying "judenhass" (The word "anti-Semitism" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marr as a more euphonious way of saying "Judenhass" (Jew-hatred)http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm ). Why would they need a more "euphonius" way of saying "judenhass"? Because most people don't like jews anyway and don't care about the "judenhass" that they bring upon themselves. But "anti-semitism" sound like it's something other than "judenhass" and too difficult for the average lame-brain to figure out that the jews rendered it to be a totally bogus and meaningless word, especially when people and even the jews who use that term start calling the Arabs "anti-semite". Manwhile in reality, the Arabs are more semite than the jews are, not only because most jews aren't semitic racially since most of them aren't even descendanys of the israelites, but actually descendants from Mongolian tribes like the Khazars (which explains their afinity with the mogolic turks), but most jews don't speak a semitic language hebrew either and this would disqualify most of them from even being called semites if we go by what the jews themselves say ("This theory of semites as a race has been discredited a long time ago. Semite refers to a group of languages only." http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm ), and the Arabs would most certainly be more semitic than the jews are because all Arabs speak semitic languages and there are much more Arabs in the world than there are jews.

BTW, the jews also claim that when the term is used in referance to jews only, the correct spelling of the term is the non-hyphenated "antisemitism" ("The word antisemite was invented for and always has been used for the purpose of denoting jew directed hatred....the spelling ought to be antisemitism without the hyphen" http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13706a.htm ) and they say this is done in order not to cause any confusion, but look up the non-hyphenated form of the word and you will see that it doesn't even exist.

[imported_oslonor]

I had decided not to reply to oslonor, it's for you Gondorian, you Zionist agitator, don't you pretend not to notice this.
Oslonor is a pan-turkist who wants to separate the real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) that's been a part of Iran for 2300 years and give it to the bogus Azgarbageland that was artificially inseminated in 1918.
A look at the map of the region will show that this will suffocate Armenia in a Turkish quagmire. That's pan-turkist rule No1: Destroy Armenia.
Oslonor doesn't seem to care and yet he's writing in an Armenian forum.

No Iranian will allow a single square nanometer of Iran to be separated from it. Just think of the three tiny islands in the Persian Gulf, claimed by the Emirates.
No Iranian is demanding a single square nanometer of Afghanistan. This is a blatant pan-turkist lie.


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No comment.

First of all Armenia is protected by Russia and not by Azeri Turks in Iran. Secondly Saffavids were an Azeri Turk dynasty but was managed by Persian elite. Saffavids were Azeri Turks but the governement civil servants were Persians. Azerbaijan belonged to Persia when Persians and kurds lived there. Iran does not need Azerbaijan when Azeri Turks are living there. Also we are talking about an East Persian Empire or an Afghan Empire. Nobody has claimed any territory on anybody else.

[Effendi]

You are a myopic, dyslexic, wily, cunning, treacherous, Zionist, pan-turkist agitator.

The only "people" who want this are the pan-turkists and their zionist supporters like you.

Your hypocrisy is leaking out of my monitor and the stench is suffocating.

You immediately sew yellow patches to everyone's chest you don't approve of. Jooboian was right: your instantly unleash your emotional blackmail:
Nazi Nazi Nazi, anti-Semite anti-Semite anti-Semite...

I have news for you:
I don't buy the whole anti-Semite crap.
Like all the other Zionist creations, this is nonsense:

When I was a kid and I heard the term for the first time, I thought it meant someone who is against Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, etc. When I found out that it only meant Jews I was astonished.
It's clear that for their emotional blackmail they had to avoid using the word Jew, so anti-Semite was invented to mean anti-Jewish. I wonder why.

What do you call someone who wants to destroy Iran?
Anti-Aryan?

What do you call someone who wants to destroy Armenia and denies the Armenian Genocide?
Is there a term for that? Why not?

The only reason he has it in for Ahmadinejad and Iran is because they don't worship israel and jews like he does.

He doesn't give a crap about Iran or Armenia being destroyed. As long as israel and the jews are safe, he's a happy camper.

He doesn't care if the jews deny the Armenian Genocide, but when Ahmadinejad said there was no jewish holocaust, boy oh boy, Iran must be destroyed.

[phantom]

Gondorian and Hellektor, there's no point in you two fighting with each other. You are actually both on the same side, but this Oslonor character has managed to make you think you are enemies.

Read Oslonor's words carefully. He is advocating the break-up of Iran. In particulary, he is advocating that the inhabitants of Northern Iran, Azeri-Iranians, be given their own land called Azerbaijan; coincidentally the same name as another country just north. Why would he advocate for such a thing? Let's ask him.

Oslonor, why should the Azeri-Iranians have their own land? Does every minority in every country deserve their own country? Are the Azeri-Iranians mistreated in some way that they deserve a right to self-determination? So far your only reason is the astonishing rationale that Iran doesn't need its northern parts. Wow, with that argument, I would say that Arkansas should definitely be its own country.

[imported_oslonor]

Gondorian and Hellektor, there's no point in you two fighting with each other. You are actually both on the same side, but this Oslonor character has managed to make you think you are enemies.

Read Oslonor's words carefully. He is advocating the break-up of Iran. In particulary, he is advocating that the inhabitants of Northern Iran, Azeri-Iranians, be given their own land called Azerbaijan; coincidentally the same name as another country just north. Why would he advocate for such a thing? Let's ask him.

Oslonor, why should the Azeri-Iranians have their own land? Does every minority in every country deserve their own country? Are the Azeri-Iranians mistreated in some way that they deserve a right to self-determination? So far your only reason is the astonishing rationale that Iran doesn't need its northern parts. Wow, with that argument, I would say that Arkansas should definitely be its own country.

No. You misunderstand my position. We are the Persian separatist. We want to separate from Azerbaijan. What Azeris want to do is their business.

[phantom]

No. You misunderstand my position. We are the Persian separatist. We want to separate from Azerbaijan. What Azeris want to do is their business.

That's the funniest load of crap I've ever heard. So let me get this straight. You are the majority (i.e., a Persian), and you want to give away the northern part of your country (the most fertile agricultural part of the nation), because it is supposedly occupied by "Turks. Hmm, is anyone here actually dumb enough to believe anything this guy has to say?

Now, either you're the dumbest separatist I've ever seen, or you're actually a real Turk who wants to take over part of Iranian sovereign territory. "What Azeris want to do is their business" wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Look, Hellektor is right. The Azerbaijani Iranians living in Northern Iran, are ethnically Iranian, they are not ethnically Turkish. They speak a Turkish language, because they were invaded by Turks and took the Turkish language. Armenians in Turkey also speak Turkish, but that doesn't make them ethnically Turkish.

The bottom line is that calls for a civil war in Iran are not coming from within Iran; they are coming from outside. Just consider who has the most interest in reducing Iran's size and power and splintering it into two or more less powerful countries.

And for the Turks in this forum, those same entities who are in favor of splintering Iran, are also in favor of splintering Turkey and Iraq and creating a Kurdistan. All of these would create smaller, less powerful countries with potentially competing interests, each of which could be more easily controlled and manipulated than Turkey, Iran and Iraq as they currently stand. I hope the Grey Wolves out there think about these issues before they embark on the irreversible plans that are whispered in their ears.

[imported_oslonor]

That's the funniest load of crap I've ever heard. So let me get this straight. You are the majority (i.e., a Persian), and you want to give away the northern part of your country (the most fertile agricultural part of the nation), because it is supposedly occupied by "Turks. Hmm, is anyone here actually dumb enough to believe anything this guy has to say?

Now, either you're the dumbest separatist I've ever seen, or you're actually a real Turk who wants to take over part of Iranian sovereign territory. "What Azeris want to do is their business" wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Look, Hellektor is right. The Azerbaijani Iranians living in Northern Iran, are ethnically Iranian, they are not ethnically Turkish. They speak a Turkish language, because they were invaded by Turks and took the Turkish language. Armenians in Turkey also speak Turkish, but that doesn't make them ethnically Turkish.

The bottom line is that calls for a civil war in Iran are not coming from within Iran; they are coming from outside. Just consider who has the most interest in reducing Iran's size and power and splintering it into two or more less powerful countries.

And for the Turks in this forum, those same entities who are in favor of splintering Iran, are also in favor of splintering Turkey and Iraq and creating a Kurdistan. All of these would create smaller, less powerful countries with potentially competing interests, each of which could be more easily controlled and manipulated than Turkey, Iran and Iraq as they currently stand. I hope the Grey Wolves out there think about these issues before they embark on the irreversible plans that are whispered in their ears.

That was a big conspiracy plan. No. Actually it is very simple. For example the northern Italians have a party called Northern league. They want to separate from Italy. Also Azeris have separatist organizations. The same for Persians. It does not sound that strange. You are talking about agriculture area. That is nonsense. The whole Iran has been destroyed by the Azeri Turk Islamic republic. So we are not going to miss Azerbaijan. And the Persians will join culturally related people in Afghanistan and other areas so Iran will be a much bigger country. You represent the Azeri Turk position and want to use the whole Iran for your narrow Azeri Turk agenda, ranging from a racial agenda to robbing the oil money for your own pocket. That is not acceptable to the real Iranian people. Also if Azeris are Iranian and speak a turkish language, why they do not look like any other ethnic group in Iran such as Persians, Kurds, Balochs and others?

[phantom]

That was a big conspiracy plan. No. Actually it is very simple. For example the northern Italians have a party called Northern league. They want to separate from Italy. Also Azeris have separatist organizations. The same for Persians. It does not sound that strange. You are talking about agriculture area. That is nonsense. The whole Iran has been destroyed by the Azeri Turk Islamic republic. So we are not going to miss Azerbaijan. And the Persians will join culturally related people in Afghanistan and other areas so Iran will be a much bigger country. You represent the Azeri Turk position and want to use the whole Iran for your narrow Azeri Turk agenda, ranging from a racial agenda to robbing the oil money for your own pocket. That is not acceptable to the real Iranian people. Also if Azeris are Iranian and speak a turkish language, why they do not look like any other ethnic group in Iran such as Persians, Kurds, Balochs and others?

Really, they all look the same to me! I grew up with an Azeri-Persian, a Jewish Persian, and a Muslim Persian, all of them from Tehran; the four of us were very close friends. There's no way you could tell that they were different peoples, because they aren't; they're all Persian. The family of the Azeri-Persian never identified themselves as Turks, they always said they were Persians. I only learned they were Azeri-Persians, because they knew I was from Turkey and could speak Turkish and sometimes they would say something to me in their strange Turkish dialect. But they never said, we are actually Turkish. On the contrary, they were heavily involved and integrated in the Persian community where I lived in the U.S.

[TurQ]

Phantom I 'm wondering why you take trolls seriously
I am also wondering what do you find in Selektor's flashing/attention begging posts
Kaale aldigina deger mi?
Yani hc kaale alinmaycak seylere cevap veriyorsun, sonra Turk'ler bunlara cevap vermiyor diyorsun, kotu duruma dusen yine biz oluyoz!

That's the funniest load of crap I've ever heard. So let me get this straight. You are the majority (i.e., a Persian), and you want to give away the northern part of your country (the most fertile agricultural part of the nation), because it is supposedly occupied by "Turks. Hmm, is anyone here actually dumb enough to believe anything this guy has to say?

Now, either you're the dumbest separatist I've ever seen, or you're actually a real Turk who wants to take over part of Iranian sovereign territory. "What Azeris want to do is their business" wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Look, Hellektor is right. The Azerbaijani Iranians living in Northern Iran, are ethnically Iranian, they are not ethnically Turkish. They speak a Turkish language, because they were invaded by Turks and took the Turkish language. Armenians in Turkey also speak Turkish, but that doesn't make them ethnically Turkish.

The bottom line is that calls for a civil war in Iran are not coming from within Iran; they are coming from outside. Just consider who has the most interest in reducing Iran's size and power and splintering it into two or more less powerful countries.

And for the Turks in this forum, those same entities who are in favor of splintering Iran, are also in favor of splintering Turkey and Iraq and creating a Kurdistan. All of these would create smaller, less powerful countries with potentially competing interests, each of which could be more easily controlled and manipulated than Turkey, Iran and Iraq as they currently stand. I hope the Grey Wolves out there think about these issues before they embark on the irreversible plans that are whispered in their ears.

[imported_oslonor]

Really, they all look the same to me! I grew up with an Azeri-Persian, a Jewish Persian, and a Muslim Persian, all of them from Tehran; the four of us were very close friends. There's no way you could tell that they were different peoples, because they aren't; they're all Persian. The family of the Azeri-Persian never identified themselves as Turks, they always said they were Persians. I only learned they were Azeri-Persians, because they knew I was from Turkey and could speak Turkish and sometimes they would say something to me in their strange Turkish dialect. But they never said, we are actually Turkish. On the contrary, they were heavily involved and integrated in the Persian community where I lived in the U.S.

That was a good answer, And it proves my point. There is no Azeri Persian in Iran. You are a either a Persian or you are not Persian. You can be an Iranian of Azeri origin. But you can not be an Azeri-Persian. Many Azeris identify themselves as Persians. Some even genuinely think they are Persians. Also I have even met Azeris who have changed their name and claim they are Jews. All of them claim they are from Mashhad or Northern Iran. You should check the phenotype of an Azeri and a Persian link as I have posted earlier. Just making a claim or speaking a language does not change the ethnicity of a person.