The Policy of Turkification of Iran

[imported_Hellektor]

I do not accept there are "Azeri" separatists.
I don't believe that a nation called "Azeri" exists.

For the zillionth time:
The people of real Azarbaijan (Aturpatekan) are Turkish speaking Iranians, they don't consider themselves different and they don't want to separate.

The "people" of fake "Azerbaijan" are a bunch of nomadic savages with no history at all, who were given nationhood in 1918 on Armenian territory and since 1936 they were called "Azeri", a meaningless term. These are the ones who invent pan-turkist, separatist crap and they will fail just like they failed in 1946.

[imported_oslonor]

Your statements are related to clouds and not what is going on in Iran. Azeri separatist are major problem for Tehran regime.

[Hovik]

Hovik jan,

I think we have a problem.
I don't think it will go away by us shying away from it.
We have both suffered in history, but it seems they have not learned much from their suffering.
We need to find a way to address the issue without being nasty. I hope it's only because you don't want others coming here to have a distorted picture of the Armenians that you are sensitive about the issue.

I know that Andrew Goldberg's film about the AG was shown in the US. We do have to thank him.
Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was even a Zionist, stood by the Armenians till the end (as far as I know), whereas many Protestants and missionaries turned their backs on Armenia when they got the sweet smell of oil.
Many Jewish organizations and scholars stand by the Armenians and some even condemn Israel.
I remember a thread in a Jewish forum discussing the issue and most of the users were pro Armenian.

All that said, there is a problem. I only want to be enlightened.
Right now the thing that pisses me off the most is the actual goings on:
Their pressuring Armenia to make concessions to "Azeris", when it was the "Azeris" who committed genocidal acts, started the war, can't stop the hate propaganda and war mongering, mutilated Gurgen Markarian, glorified the monster, destroyed every trace of our presence in "Azeri" occupied Armenian land...
Why don't they condemn the action, instead they want to eliminate the consequences thereof?
Isn't their actions enough to have "Azerbaijan" executed?
Why are they doing this to us?

Don't you think by this antagonism between us, we are harming ourselves?
Is it me or the Turkish participation has really diminished?
They are sitting laughing at us while we have lost the focus.

The ever manipulative Turks:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=10034

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=10063

I don't think you understand. If he violated the rule on Jews, that's not what I was focusing on. The way he was talking to the other individual is unacceptable, that kind of language cannot be tolerated here. If we are going to have arguements with others we can do so like adults. You want to curse someone out, send them a PM - your filthy language does not belong in the forum pages...

[1.5 million]

Your statements are related to clouds and not what is going on in Iran. Azeri separatist are major problem for Tehran regime.

This is true only because it just takes a few nut cases (like you) to fanatically push their agenda - even if the vast majority are not only content & happy - but are fully integrated culturally and have been for centuries and could not think of any other way to live really...

And good comments Hellektor - I agree with your positions as stated...but we do have a problem with some (nut cases fanatically pushing their agenda) and thus it makes it difficult if not impossible for normal and critical discussion of these very important issues...shame - but what can be done. I appreciate your (and Phantoms) more balanced perspective on these issues...

[imported_oslonor]

We represent the Persian separatists. Armenians have a problem with The Republic of Azerbaijan. They ally themsleves with Azeri Turks in Iran. Persians have also the right to ally themselves with Azeri separatist or Turkey or whoever is against Azeri Turks in Iran. You should check it out how Azeri Turks in Iran are exporting their civilization to Afghanistan:

Azeri Turk Civilization

http://azerinazist.blogspot.com/

[bell-the-cat]

Oslonor, still getting that CIA paycheck for all the hard work you are continuing to contribute in that matrix called the world wide web?

[imported_oslonor]

No. They have not sent me any check yet. I still hope they send me a check.

See a slideshow

Persians

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116581341/show/

Azeri Turks

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116588250/show/

Afghan

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/sets/72057594116574438/show/

[imported_oslonor]

Who are Azeris?
Important to emphasize the roots of Azerbaijan

By Aylinah Jurabchi
August 8, 2002
The Iranian

The difference between the accent of Azeris from Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan is equivlant to the difference of accent between people from New York and Boston, which makes it clear that the language of the Azeris north of the Aras and south of the Aras is basically the same.

The language spoken in the region of northwestern Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan signifies that the people are of the same ethnic origin and that they are in fact one people, divided between political boundaries and influenced throughout the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries by different countries and political ideologies.

http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2002/August/Azeri/index.html

[Bulgarian]

Everyone it is quite clear what olsonor is he a Persian separatist however the separation of Persians ultimately mean a creation of a eastern Kurdistan and a creation of a southern Azerbaijan.

oslonor I think you have a kind of twisted agenda.

Here is a Pan Azeri video
http://panazeri.blogspot.com/

That is a pan-Persian video. You are mad if you think even for a second that this is a pan-Azeri video. A pan-Azeri video would be showing Turkic peoples and not Iranic peoples.

BTW I saw your socalled pan-Azeri video on a pan Iranic website: http://www.pan-iranism.com/

Infact when you go to their forums their enemies are the pan-Turks. Pan-Iranism is pushing a Iranic peoples agenda whereas Pan-Turkism (and Pan-Azerism) is pushing a Turkic agenda.

This is it. Its none of your wild conspiracy theories about Azeris being 50% of Iran and Azeris trying to "Azerify" the Persians and other ethnic groups of Iran. It seems that you are trying to demonise the Azeris of Iran (so you can create some kind of Persian state). However by doing this you will actually lead to the defragmentation of present day Iran.

The real question is why? Do you want a Persian state? Is it because you want to keep the Persian people "pure" as it were or is it because you want the Persian equivalent of Turanism or is it because you are trying to weaken the already volatile middle east (which will benefit the USA and Israel)?

The regime of Iran (who may well have several Azeri elements to it) are doing Azerification on people. When I read about the limited cultural oppression of Kurds and Azeris it is the authorities imposing Farsi amongst the minorities it isnt the Azeris imposing Azeri on the Kurds, Persians, Balochs, Lors etc.... The authority isnt oppressing the people much culturally and linguistically - the authorities are oppressing the people through their twisted and conservative interpretations of Islam and their goal of Islamising the people of Iran.

I may dislike Turks but I wont allow non-senselies being spread about the Azeris suppressing other peoples in Iran.

[imported_oslonor]

I see you are not familiar about Iran. And you have not read the earlier posts. Turkification is imposing a Turkish culture on non-turks. It is not imposing an Azeri language. On the contrary Azeris are severly suppresed if they speak Azeri language in their schools. If Kurds want to stay within Iran they are welcome. It is not Persian that make those decisions. And you can not impose by force on Kurds and decisions either. What you call Islamization or arabization is actually the turkification process. Otherwise Arabs are a insignificant minority in Iran and have no role in the government. Pan-Azerism is actually presented as Pan-Iranism. Majority of members of that forum are Azeri turks. And no Persians want to unite the republic of Azerbaijan with Iran as these people want to do. We do not want more Azeris than we have now. Except if you are an Azeri turk in Iran and call yourself "Pan-Iranist". A Persian state includes many non-persians such as Turkomans and Arabs and Kurds and armenians. There is nothing wrong with that. The policy of Turkification is something that Azeris are shouting a lot about except that they say they have been turkified 600 years and they are Iranians which is not true. But Azerification today is very true and real.