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  • #171
    Originally posted by oslonor
    That said there must be some Azeris without any Turkic admixture in them.

    Oslonor:
    The only one is Gogoosh who is ethnically Persian.
    How could you be 100% certain that there is only one ethnically Persian Azeri?

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    • #172
      Originally posted by Bulgarian
      How could you be 100% certain that there is only one ethnically Persian Azeri?
      I am sure there are others. But a Persian is somebody who looks like a Persian. If you do not look like a Persian then you are not Persian. You can not say that an Azeri is a Persian just because the Azeri claims he is Persian. And many Azeris do claim that. Again if a Persian is mixed with a mongol or arab or anybody else then he is not Persian. We are talking about anthropology. Actually Azeri theories about Iran is there are no Persians in Iran and all Iranians are actually Azeri Turks. Persian is just a langauge that people speak.

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      • #173
        Oslonor Comments:
        According to this article, there are no Persians in Iran and Persian is only a language. Also According to "research" by the same people in the University of Chicago, all Iranians are Azeri Turks. That is Persians have disappeared without a trace from Iran's history. Persian is just the language otherwise there is some kind of Azeri Turk Iranian race and there are not ethnic groups in Iran. There is no need to refute this kind of nonsense!!!!!

        Are there any Persians in Iran?
        He is confused between Iranian and Persian. A confusion initiated by the "West" and then encouraged by the invading Arabs and their doctrine. Iranian includes Persians, Azeris, Baluchis Lurs Kords etc. However not all those residing in Iran are necessarily Iranians. For example most people from Qum are remnants of Arab Shia' who fled the Caliphs.

        For his information Azeris, are one of the purest Iranians there is. What he calls Azeri Nationalism that President Truman and then Shah put an end to, was nothing but a Soviet (Communist) plot to absorb the Iranian Azeris into the part which the previous Russian dictators had truncated. Azeri Nationalism is Iranian Nationalism.

        Our best and brightest have been Azeris. Has he heard of Sataar Khaan and Baagher Khaan? Did they fight so heroically for Azeri Nationalism or the Iranian one? Does this young student, Salman, know that the most nationalistic Iranian individuals and movements have been from Azerbaijan, not in the name of Azeri people, as he so ignorantly refers to them, but in the name of the entire Iranian people? He should research and do the rest of his graduate work, not from the suspect sources of the "West", but the more authentic Iranian sources. But I suspect that his Farsi is so bad that he can only read English.

        The reason most Iranian insist on Persian is because that is the ancient language of the Iranian people. It was not from Fars that Farsi (Persian) was saved but the equally significant part of Iran, Greater Khorasan, that did it (heard of Ferdosi?) Most renowned Iranian (many of whom are Azeris) writers, philosophers, mathematicians, poets, astronomers and savants in general, not to forget medical scientists wrote their work in Farsi (Persian).

        During the Arab dominance, in their efforts to annihilate Iranian and Iranian thoughts, Farsi and Iranians were ridiculed and scholars were forced to write in Arabic. Attempts, then as now, were made to separate what our young scholar mistakenly call "ethnic" groups to divide the ever present Iranian Unity.

        Just because some speak in a different dialect, does not make them "ethnic". He is obviously under the influence of the concept of "ethnic" groups as exist and apply to many of us here in the United States (Even here we are all American with no ethnic inspirations - but proud of our ethnicity, as they are in all of Iran).

        Our young friend is so much under the Euro-Centrism world that he forgets that all that he says about Persians apply equally to say the French, or Britons. Until quite recently (Blair time) "Devolution" was not encouraged even in the "modern" Britain. English was promoted in favor of Gaelic Welsh or Irish. In Iran until recently also, we discouraged other languages ignorantly fearing it may encourage separation. Now that the idea is discarded as nonsense, different languages are permitted to the benefit of the Greater Iran.

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        • #174
          Question for Bulgarian:

          Do you think a Persian can look like an African from Congo Africa? And what do you mean by Persian? Is speaking Persian language enough for somebody to be Persian? Then all Kurds are Persians.

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          • #175
            Im not going to answer anything unless you tell me what are your aims and what do you hope to achieve?

            I think you have an agenda. What is it?

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            • #176
              Originally posted by Bulgarian
              tell me what are your aims and what do you hope to achieve?

              I think you have an agenda. What is it?
              Don't try to bend the spoon.
              There is no spoon.
              Plenipotentiary meow!

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              • #177
                Originally posted by Bulgarian
                Im not going to answer anything unless you tell me what are your aims and what do you hope to achieve?

                I think you have an agenda. What is it?
                I suggest you read these two blog:

                Persians and Hollywood
                Persians and Hollywood
                http://oslonor.blogspot.com
                How Persians are presented in Hollywood films. Oliver Stone - Alexander


                Afghan Empire:
                The Rise of Afghan Empire
                http://afghanempire.blogspot.com
                The Rise of Afghan Empire and the Fall of Islamic Republic of Iran

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                • #178
                  Originally posted by oslonor
                  Persians and Hollywood
                  Persians and Hollywood
                  http://oslonor.blogspot.com
                  How Persians are presented in Hollywood films. Oliver Stone - Alexander


                  Afghan Empire:
                  http://afghanempire.blogspot.com
                  There is no spoon.
                  Plenipotentiary meow!

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                  • #179
                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat
                    There is no spoon.
                    Haha.

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                    • #180
                      Exposing The Myth Of Lasting Iranian-Turkish Amity

                      http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg150125.html
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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