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  • #31
    Originally posted by phantom
    Hellektor, he's trying to say "Haaaa siktir", which means fuc- off. Just so you know, when you say it in Turkish, it's not as offensive as it sounds in English for some reason. You can even say it to your close friends "ha siktir ulan" and they won't be offended.
    We use siktir as well in Iran, minus the Haaaa part. I couldn't make that out the way he spelled it (Hassss..tttt...rrrrr), especially because of the "Hassss".
    Here are some other Turkish cuss words that we use regularly:
    dayyus, ghoromsagh, ozgal, bilmaz, etc.
    I love 'em all (no sarcasm intended), they really make one feel relieved. I don't know their meanings though. Sorry for the Armenian/Persian transliteration, I don't know the Turkish pronunciation of these words.

    Originally posted by phantom
    I don't think we can take credit for everything the Turks have as part of their culture and accomplishments. They took some things from others too: Greeks, Assyrians, Persians, Kurds, Arabs, etc. come to mind.
    phantom jan here I say:

    Someone tell them there is no such thing as Turkish music/culture. They have imitated the culture of the locals and have mixed Arab, Persian, Greek, Armenian, Balkan, Mediterranean, etc. music and on top of that the wailing singing which is the only thing Turkish about their music
    Originally posted by phantom
    It is extremely annoying, however, when Turks claim to own things they have no business claiming. For example, all of those Turks at the EuroVision websites that complain that Andre's song is actually "Ottoman" or "Turkish" are total idiots. But guess what, it doesn't hurt us when they act stupid like that. If you notice on those forums, others come to Andre's defense before even any Armenian can do it. Europeans are used to this childish and insecure behavior coming from some Turks.
    That's what made me start this thread. They come to the Eurovision forums, sow the seeds of hate, the Armenians get on the defensive and tell the truths about the Ottoman Tyranny and the Euroxxxs close the threads.

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    Update: dayyus is Arabic and means something like cuckold.
    ghoromsagh (kurumsagh, qurumsakh, I don't know any Turkish spelling of the word) is Turkish and means pimp to his own wife, also cuckold.
    Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

    I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
    II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
    III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
    IV. They shut up and say nothing.

    [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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    • #32
      I think those are Azeri cuss that you claim dont exist.
      Bilmaz is probably Bilmez ignorant?
      Dayyus, sounds like Deyyus. Thats mystery to me still dont know the meaning, but it sounds reall funny.
      No idea about ghoromsag

      Originally posted by Hellektor
      We use siktir as well in Iran, minus the Haaaa part. I couldn't make that out the way he spelled it (Hassss..tttt...rrrrr), especially because of the "Hassss".
      Here are some other Turkish cuss words that we use regularly:
      dayyus, ghoromsagh, ozgal, bilmaz, etc.
      I love 'em all (no sarcasm intended), they really make one feel relieved. I don't know their meanings though. Sorry for the Armenian/Persian transliteration, I don't know the Turkish pronunciation of these words.


      phantom jan here I say:




      That's what made me start this thread. They come to the Eurovision forums, sow the seeds of hate, the Armenians get on the defensive and tell the truths about the Ottoman Tyranny and the Euroxxxs close the threads.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TurQ
        Originally posted by Jooboian
        Ambassador Henry Morgenthau's assessment of Turkish culture.

        He wrote : "Such graces of civilization as the Turk has acquired in five centuries have practically all been taken from the subject peoples whom he so greatly despises. His religion comes from the Arabs; his language has acquired a certain literary value by borrowing certain Arabic and Persian elements; and his writing is Arabic. Constantinople's finest architectural monument, the Mosque of St. Sophia, was originally a Christian church, and all so-called Turkish architecture is derived from the Byzantine. The mechanism of business and industry has always rested in the hands of the subject peoples, Greeks, Jews, Armenians, and Arabs. The Turks have learned little of European art or science, they have established very few educational institutions, and illiteracy is the prevailing rule,"
        Thats why we do not think he is a reliable source Morgenthau becaue of his own grudge, hatred and prejuidice against Turkish people.
        Can you please tell us which part of this saying doesn't correspond with the truth or bears connotations of "grudge, hatred and prejuidice against Turkish people"?

        (Note that I used the magic word so don't let me down )
        Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

        I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
        II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
        III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
        IV. They shut up and say nothing.

        [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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        • #34
          each and every word of it.
          Classical 19th century grudge and ignorance about the "Other"

          Originally posted by Hellektor
          Can you please tell us which part of this saying doesn't correspond with the truth or bears connotations of "grudge, hatred and prejuidice against Turkish people"?

          (Note that I used the magic word so don't let me down )

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TurQ
            I think those are Azeri cuss that you claim dont exist.
            Bilmaz is probably Bilmez ignorant?
            Dayyus, sounds like Deyyus. Thats mystery to me still dont know the meaning, but it sounds reall funny.
            No idea about ghoromsag
            Why do you have to bring up the "Azeri" thing and spoil the fun ?
            I apologized for the translitertation:
            Originally posted by hellektor
            Sorry for the Armenian/Persian transliteration, I don't know the Turkish pronunciation of these words.
            Yes, most probably bilmez and deyyus are more correct.
            It's perhaps qurumsaq or something I don't know the Turkish spelling.
            Oh yes, there's also ozgal (ozgel, uzgel for you), dashshagh, etc.
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • #36
              No,Truth expressed grudgingly (for reasons he had direct evidence too)
              Thats the difference!
              If Turkey excepted their resposibilitys of the Genocides these Truths won,t have to be expressed so grudgingly
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hellektor
                Someone tell them there is no such thing as Turkish music/culture. They have imitated the culture of the locals and have mixed Arab, Persian, Greek, Armenian, Balkan, Mediterranean, etc. music and on top of that the wailing singing which is the only thing Turkish about their music
                An Iranian critiques Turks.hahahaha.

                We all see the Arabs and Iranians.They live in the filthy place of Islam, they are all fuddy-duddy because of the Islam.Who are you to critique Turkish culture?Look at today you are too behind of the civilised world.
                I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish!

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                • #38
                  Hellektor/Sellektor is an atehist Iranian Armenian.

                  Islam is part of Turkish culture and Turkish history. If you are not comfortable with being muslim change your name from hasan to something else!


                  Originally posted by Tarrak Hasan
                  An Iranian critiques Turks.hahahaha.

                  We all see the Arabs and Iranians.They live in the filthy place of Islam, they are all fuddy-duddy because of the Islam.Who are you to critique Turkish culture?Look at today you are too behind of the civilised world.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tarrak Hasan
                    An Iranian critiques Turks.hahahaha.

                    We all see the Arabs and Iranians.They live in the filthy place of Islam, they are all fuddy-duddy because of the Islam.Who are you to critique Turkish culture?Look at today you are too behind of the civilised world.

                    "turkish culture" - there is no such thing.

                    And the Van cats, they are going to have to be returned too. They are Armenian cats.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      Hellektor/Sellektor is an atehist Iranian Armenian.

                      Islam is part of Turkish culture and Turkish history. If you are not comfortable with being muslim change your name from hasan to something else!
                      This fellow don't know anything about Turkish folk music such as Asik Veysel, Yunus Emre, Karacaoglan. The real Turks have their own music which is played with Baglama. This musical instrument brought from central Asia and evolved in Anatolia.

                      Are you an advocate of Islam or this fellow named Hellektor? You must be a supporter of T. Erdogan's party. But don't forget, in the times of Anatolian Seljuks 70% of Turks were Alevi. The Real Turkish Islam is Alevilik. But Ishould make you know that I am not Alevi as well.
                      I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish! I will read the forum rules and not post in Turkish!

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