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  • #11
    May be thats why the Tashnaks assasinated the Priests who wouldnt support them


    Originally posted by 1.5 million
    The lesson of value here - that all Armenians should take head of - is be very wary of following the lead of priests...they have let us down in the past and if allowed many of them would do the same today...

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    • #12
      Originally posted by TurQ
      Well forlong time he was one of the prime susptects by the government, I dont think what you're saying is true.

      Especially because of some property rights the Diaspora leader hate him. Other than that as Ethen Mahcupyan says, the diaspora leaders hate Turkey's Armenians because of their insistence on living in Turkey, and Masrob comes the first in their hate list(I'm not talkin about the ordinary diasporans but the leaders).

      There are some other things that I want to say but this is not the proper place, and you would assume those as propoganda, I leave them for now.
      If you want a (Turkish-style ) conspiracy theory, it would be that the Turkish State set out to make him appear "suspect" in order to manipulate Armenians into thinking that he was someone with integrity and guts who would stand up to the Turks. This was so they all would vote for him to become patriarch. But, all along, he was the candidate that Ankara wanted to be voted patriarch because he was, in reality, under their control.
      Plenipotentiary meow!

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      • #13
        Just because he is not inline witth Diaspora politics doesnt make him a traitor.

        This is also true for Partriach Barthalomeos, he also being called as traitor by mainland Greeks and Greeks of US.


        Originally posted by bell-the-cat
        If you want a (Turkish-style ) conspiracy theory, it would be that the Turkish State set out to make him appear "suspect" in order to manipulate Armenians into thinking that he was someone with integrity and guts who would stand up to the Turks. This was so they all would vote for him to become patriarch. But, all along, he was the candidate that Ankara wanted to be voted patriarch because he was, in reality, under their control.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by TurQ
          Just because he is not inline witth Diaspora politics doesnt make him a traitor.
          It is not just a question of "diaspora politics" - the fact is that after his election he has actively gone out of his way to make statements supporting the position of the Turkish state regarding the genocide and on other matters as well, such as the EU and minority rights within Turkey.
          Plenipotentiary meow!

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          • #15
            Well I dont think everything regarding to Turkish politics be critisized wildly,
            I think Diasporans should also look ways to take advantage of some of the politics to establish relations.

            Originally posted by bell-the-cat
            It is not just a question of "diaspora politics" - the fact is that after his election he has actively gone out of his way to make statements supporting the position of the Turkish state regarding the genocide and on other matters as well, such as the EU and minority rights within Turkey.

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            • #16
              Istanbul Armenian Patriarch Mesrob Mutafyan II said...

              Istanbul Armenian Patriarch Mesrob Mutafyan II said the dilemma facing Turkish-Armenian relations can only be overcome by dialogue and mutual respect, and no one should blame only the one side. According to Mutafyan II, both Armenians and Turks had responsibility in the tragedy of 1915 and before.

              The Armenian Patriarch Mutafyan II also argued that the both sides are repeating the same arguments and it is the time to break the vicious circles. “We need a new perspective” he added.

              Reflecting the true nature of reality requires courage, said Mutafyan. "In the unfortunate conclusion reached, it is unethical attitude for both parties to ignore each other's responsibility or to completely put it on the other side."

              Both nations must be able to look at each other's history without prejudice, he added. "We have to change the mentality of degrading the other."

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              • #17
                Please provide a link to a news source.

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                • #18
                  I wonder why all the other Armenian patriarchs an say it was Genocide and for some reason he cant.
                  makes you go Hmmm!
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #19
                    Yes Armenians do bear some responsiility for the Genocide I can see his point...they failed to kill Talat and Shakir prior to 1915...I supose Rwandans (Tutsis) could have cut power to those Hutu radio stations and Cambodians could have fled the country...maybe if only Poles bought some of Hitlers art this whole WW2 thing could have been avoided - eh don't you think?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Gavur
                      I wonder why all the other Armenian patriarchs an say it was Genocide and for some reason he cant.
                      makes you go Hmmm!
                      Mutafayan is a canary in a cage.
                      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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