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  • #21
    Originally posted by MichaelDuglas
    None of my friends can register for this forum because they think that if they do that Armenians will find them and kill them.
    What the hell?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by MichealDuglas
      Ok lets say Armenians like Turks but Turkey. You dont like Turkey, confess please.
      If Turkey pays USD 3.000.00 to every Armenian in the world (ofcourse to those who can prove that their grand parents were murdered in 1915), can something change? Anger of the Armenians does it decrease? I dont think so..
      Originally posted by phantom
      If you really want to know how to change Armenian perspective, here are some ideas for you:

      1. Stop denying what really happened to our ancestors;
      2. Stop teaching your children that Armenians were traitors that "stabbed your ancestors in the back";
      3. Stop destroying the ancient monuments that we built on soil that you now own;
      4. Stop blocking the borders between you and your neighbor;
      5. Stop coming to our websites and telling us that we're lying, and that everyone who says it was a Genocide is a propogandist;
      6. Stop having such closed minds on this issue;
      7. Approach us with some humanity rather than cynicism and conspiracy theories.
      To phantom's list I add:
      Give us back our goddamned homeland you illegally usurped from us by exterminating us. That's not fair and manly behavior.
      This is nonnegotiable, so don't bother playing around.
      Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

      I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
      II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
      III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
      IV. They shut up and say nothing.

      [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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      • #23
        Originally posted by MichealDuglas
        We cannot change the past but the future. What can we do to decrease hate and anger of the Armenians towards Turks?
        Shouldn't you be more concerned in decreasing jewish hatred towards Arabs?

        Originally posted by MichealDuglas
        In the short term:
        Turkey should lift blockade and can and should initiate negotiation about reperations without accepting AG. Without accepting AG, Turkey can still pay reperations. Why? Because Armenians were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Empire was responsible of their life. AG recognition and reperations are two separate subjects and should be evaluated separately. This is my opinion. Turkey can also apologize for the Armenians whom it couldnot save their life. An offial apology would be smart.However, dont expect AG recognition and land offer, it seems impossible both in the short run and in the long run.
        Paying reperations without accepting the AG would still be an admission of guilt and they would never pay reperations for something they claim never happened although in reality, they know it happened, but they think it was their right to exterminate whoever they felt like exterminatins, so in their eyes, they don't think they did something wrong that they should either apologize or pay reperations for.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by elendil
          We are not giving land or money to anyone. Sorry...
          You better be, because we'll take it. Sooner or later.
          A bunch of thieves breaking into my house, raping, pillaging and killing my family and sitting in my home can never, under any laws in this universe, be considered the owners of my house.
          Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

          I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
          II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
          III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
          IV. They shut up and say nothing.

          [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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          • #25
            ASALA has been dead for more than 20 years!

            Originally posted by MichealDuglas
            Turks dont hate Armenians, they rather are afraid of.It may seem unbelievable but true. None of my friends can register for this forum because they think that if they do that Armenians will find them and kill them. ASALA gave so much damage to the Armenians image that when one says `Armenian` the first thing that comes to mind is ASALA. I am sorry but it will take many years to forget about ASALA.
            Man! This ASALA xxxx has been blown out of proportion. More has been written about ASALA by the Turkish denialist propagandists than about all the terrorist acts, throughout all these decades, committed by IRA and ETA combined.

            Give us a break!
            Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

            I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
            II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
            III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
            IV. They shut up and say nothing.

            [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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            • #26
              You better be, because we'll take it. Sooner or later.
              A bunch of thieves breaking into my house, raping, pillaging and killing my family and sitting in my home can never, under any laws in this universe, be considered the owners of my house.
              God am I tired of hollow threats... What you consider us is no matter, we have our lands, we have the will to keep it. No, dont say more on how you will take lands or kick our Tatar asses back to Mongolia, just do it if you have the will.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by elendil
                God am I tired of hollow threats... What you consider us is no matter, we have our lands, we have the will to keep it. No, dont say more on how you will take lands or kick our Tatar asses back to Mongolia, just do it if you have the will.
                No elendil, I'm not threatening. I regret that you take it as a threat. I'm just stating a fact, no sarcasm intended.
                I'm absolutely sure if there are other intelligent living creatures in this universe, they'll have the same law:
                If you steal something from others in the most despicable manner possible, you'll have to pay for it. You'll have to return the property you stole from others. Otherwise an intelligent society cannot exist.

                Threatening from behind the monitor is a Turkish symptom and I assure you I'm not suffering from it:
                III. They offend (e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).
                Four things denialist Turks do when they are confronted with facts:

                I. They change the subject [SIZE="1"](e.g. they copy/paste tons of garbage to divert attention).[/SIZE]
                II. They project [SIZE="1"](e.g. they replace "Turk" with "Armenian" and vice versa and they regurgitate Armenian history).[/SIZE]
                III. They offend [SIZE="1"](e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).[/SIZE]
                IV. They shut up and say nothing.

                [URL="http://b.imagehost.org/download/0689/azerbaijan-real-fake-absurd.pdf"][COLOR="Red"]A country named Azerbaijan north of the Arax River [B]NEVER[/B] existed before 1918[/COLOR][/URL]

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                • #28
                  Abdulhamit Han didnt have a paranoia, his aim was only to save the country.
                  He had nothing against Armenians, his close friends were Armenians that included the ministery of treasury.

                  If he had paranoia he wouldnt build churches for christian citizens of Ottoman State.


                  Originally posted by Hovik
                  Yet another taboo / myth in Turkey?

                  Didn't Abdul Hamid have such a paranoia?

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                  • #29
                    Selektor,
                    somehow you have the idea that you have to be paid attention or people have to give some value to your thoughts, or otherwise they are TUrks diverting from issues.

                    Selektor dont u understand, your issue is nonsense for us? How much time do u need to get this?


                    Originally posted by Hellektor
                    No elendil, I'm not threatening. I regret that you take it as a threat. I'm just stating a fact, no sarcasm intended.
                    I'm absolutely sure if there are other intelligent living creatures in this universe, they'll have the same law:
                    If you steal something from others in the most despicable manner possible, you'll have to pay for it. You'll have to return the property you stole from others. Otherwise an intelligent society cannot exist.

                    Threatening from behind the monitor is a Turkish symptom and I assure you I'm not suffering from it:
                    III. They offend (e.g. they cuss, threaten and/or mock).

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by TurQ
                      Abdulhamit Han didnt have a paranoia, his aim was only to save the country.
                      He had nothing against Armenians, his close friends were Armenians that included the ministery of treasury.

                      If he had paranoia he wouldnt build churches for christian citizens of Ottoman State.

                      Sure, that's why he is known as the RED sultan.

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