One thing I don't understand about this forum...

[phantom]

from what i saw..it was not possible to identify who they were .....but i take your point.

Good, it takes a big man or woman, to admit when they're actually learning something, especially when it's something that is not complementary to their view.

I don't want you to come away from this thinking that we think that all Turks are animals. We don't, even when things like this are done to our people, our culture, and our heritage. But if there is ever going to be reconciliation between Turks and Armenians, it is the young people in Turkey who are going to make it happen. And it will only happen if they take a good, hard and honest look at what Armenians have endured over the last century.

[Joseph]

The answer is that today's Turks have chosen to align themselves with the "Ottoman rule" that exterminated the Armenians rather than align themselves with those normal and simple Turks who were fooled, blackmailed or threatened into being accomplices or turning their backs on their neighbors who were being murdered. You and your compatriots today have a choice: you can either continue to defend the actions of those who murdered our ancestors, or you can join the rest of humanity in condemning them. If you continue to defend the killers, then you really should not expect much sympathy or even civility from us.



The Republic of Turkey has inheritted and benefited from taking over the assets of the Ottoman Empire. You don't take the assets of an entity without also taking on the liabilities of that entity. It's a very simple axiom, and certainly does not go against the rule of law or common sense. Cok kolay digil mi! Her kezin malini murkunu cal, ustune otur, ve ondan sonra de ki biz digildik, Osmanlilardi. That's not the way the law works. Just like how the Republic of Germany was liable to the Jewish people for the liabilities of the Nazis, so is the Republic of Turkey liable to the Armenian people for the liabilities of the Ottoman Empire.




You're wrong. There were no trials in Malta. The trials never happened. The criminals there were released in an exchange with Britain before there could be any trials. Moreover, why are you ignoring the Military Tribunals in Istanbul in the years 1919 to 1920, where the leaders of the Ottoman Empire were convicted for slaughtering the Armenian and Christian peoples of the Ottoman Empire?



How many times are we going to go through this? What was the International Center for Transitional Justice? Wasn't it an international panel of accredited historians/academics chosen by both Turks and Armenians? Moreover, who are all the historians who are saying that it was a Genocide? They are independent, international, and they are experts in this field. Why do you ignore what they have to say? What is the International Association of Genocide Scholars? What is the Institute for Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem? Instead of asking why Armenia does not agree to so-called deep analysis, why don't you ask yourself why Turkey ignores all of these independent experts who say it was a Genocide? Armenia rightfully has no interest in playing games with the Turks.



We don't claim to be the only victims. We claim to be victims along with the Assyrians and Pontic Greeks, who were also exterminated along with our ancestors. There may have been isolated incidents, almost all of which were in retaliation for the slaughter of our people, but none of them amount to a plan to exterminate a whole ethnic group. There is a vast difference between isolated uprisings, and a state sponsored plan to exterminate one of its own citizen groups. If you can't appreciate the difference between these two things, then there's no point in continuing a conversation.



Yes, you're right. Where you're wrong, however, is in your view that the facts have not already been independently established. They have been , ad nauseum. Continued denial at this point is just plain immoral.

Good work.