OMG Turkey is starting to panic

[HayerMiacek]

This is very funny indeed. Because of your stupid actions, Belgium I am sure will pass the law

Thank you Turkey and Turks!

Azeri Press Agency, Azerbaijan
June 1 2006

The England Turkish Dialog Committee lobby organization in Great
Britain has drawn up a bill on the Belgium government recognizing
the genocide it committed in Congo (APA).

The bill was signed by British parliament members and has been
included into the agenda for discussions. The bill is about the facts
on massacre of millions of people in Congo, colonized by Belgium,
by government forces in 1885-1908. The bill demands the Belgium
government to apologize to Congo people and the international community
for the genocide.

This month, Belgian parliament is going to pass a law on sentencing
persons refusing to recognize the so-called "Armenian genocide"
to one-year in prison. The bill that the Turkish lobby submitted to
British parliament is a response to this step taken by the Belgian
parliament. The England Turkish Dialog Committee stated that the
Belgian parliament should either refuse passing this law or recognize
the genocide it perpetrated in Congo and apologize to the international
committee for having massacred millions of people.

The bill presented by the Turkish lobby was signed by Bottomley Peter,
Conservative Party member, Lin Brown, Martin Katon, David Cheitor,
AndrewDismor, David Drew, Cliv Grogan, Helen Johns , John McDonnel,
Alan Mill from Labor Party and Andrew Georg and Poll Holms from
Liberal-Democratic Party.

[turque]

Hayir

They are just (finally) having some action. Turks of Belgium already took action and UK Turks are helping them out. As you might remember France rejected the bill penalizes those challenge Armenians. Last year Belgium also rejected a proposed bill, this year they get the bill again. It seems it'll be rejected as well.

This is very funny indeed. Because of your stupid actions, Belgium I am sure will pass the law

Thank you Turkey and Turks!

Azeri Press Agency, Azerbaijan
June 1 2006

The England Turkish Dialog Committee lobby organization in Great
Britain has drawn up a bill on the Belgium government recognizing
the genocide it committed in Congo (APA).

The bill was signed by British parliament members and has been
included into the agenda for discussions. The bill is about the facts
on massacre of millions of people in Congo, colonized by Belgium,
by government forces in 1885-1908. The bill demands the Belgium
government to apologize to Congo people and the international community
for the genocide.

This month, Belgian parliament is going to pass a law on sentencing
persons refusing to recognize the so-called "Armenian genocide"
to one-year in prison. The bill that the Turkish lobby submitted to
British parliament is a response to this step taken by the Belgian
parliament. The England Turkish Dialog Committee stated that the
Belgian parliament should either refuse passing this law or recognize
the genocide it perpetrated in Congo and apologize to the international
committee for having massacred millions of people.

The bill presented by the Turkish lobby was signed by Bottomley Peter,
Conservative Party member, Lin Brown, Martin Katon, David Cheitor,
AndrewDismor, David Drew, Cliv Grogan, Helen Johns , John McDonnel,
Alan Mill from Labor Party and Andrew Georg and Poll Holms from
Liberal-Democratic Party.

[Hovik]

Hayir

They are just (finally) having some action. Turks of Belgium already took action and UK Turks are helping them out. As you might remember France rejected the bill penalizes those challenge Armenians. Last year Belgium also rejected a proposed bill, this year they get the bill again. It seems it'll be rejected as well.

As I know the french bill was postponed, not rejected...

[HayerMiacek]

Hayir

They are just (finally) having some action. Turks of Belgium already took action and UK Turks are helping them out. As you might remember France rejected the bill penalizes those challenge Armenians. Last year Belgium also rejected a proposed bill, this year they get the bill again. It seems it'll be rejected as well.

My friend those are desperate actions. The French bill was expected to be postponed, trust me after Chirac is gone, the bill will be accepted, even before he ends his term actually.

What the Turks are doing is blackmail to those countries, they are playing with fire. Countries usually do not react kindly to threats and blackmail, so let them keep doing what they are doing, it just plays to our advantage

Keep up the good work

[Vogelgrippe]

Hayir

They are just (finally) having some action. Turks of Belgium already took action and UK Turks are helping them out. As you might remember France rejected the bill penalizes those challenge Armenians. Last year Belgium also rejected a proposed bill, this year they get the bill again. It seems it'll be rejected as well.

TurQ, here is a summary of (majority) Armenian reactions to true or alleged genocides.

Belgians committed genocide on Congolese: Nooo, poor Belgians were just modernizing (and a little bit colonizing Congo)! BTW where the heck is Congo anyways?

Russians committed genocide on Tatars: Nooo, Tatars were all and 101% Nazi collaborators. They were friendly shipped to Siberia for recreational purposes.

Russians committed genocide on Caucasian Moslems: Nooooo, are you kidding? Look at Chechens, they are all terrorists. I am sure their massacred ancestors were terrorists too!

French committed genocide on Algerians? Nooo, millions of Algerians live and work in France now (as if Algeria is a rich and industrialized nation). Would they do so if there was a genocide?

British committed genocide in Indian Subcontinent: Noooooo, come on, how come more than a billion people live there now?

Turks committed genocide on Armenians: Yesssssssssssss. Not only on Armenians, but they even managed to commit genocide on Greeks while Western & Northwestern Turkey was under Greek occupation!

Welcome back to the kingdom of reason

[Gavur]

I think that bird gripp got to your brain
what does one massacre have to do with the other ?
If you guys dont step up to the plate that bats going to be stuck in your rears.

[Hovik]

TurQ, here is a summary of (majority) Armenian reactions to true or alleged genocides.

Belgians committed genocide on Congolese: Nooo, poor Belgians were just modernizing (and a little bit colonizing Congo)! BTW where the heck is Congo anyways?

Russians committed genocide on Tatars: Nooo, Tatars were all and 101% Nazi collaborators. They were friendly shipped to Siberia for recreational purposes.

Russians committed genocide on Caucasian Moslems: Nooooo, are you kidding? Look at Chechens, they are all terrorists. I am sure their massacred ancestors were terrorists too!

French committed genocide on Algerians? Nooo, millions of Algerians live and work in France now (as if Algeria is a rich and industrialized nation). Would they do so if there was a genocide?

British committed genocide in Indian Subcontinent: Noooooo, come on, how come more than a billion people live there now?

Turks committed genocide on Armenians: Yesssssssssssss. Not only on Armenians, but they even managed to commit genocide on Greeks while Western & Northwestern Turkey was under Greek occupation!

Welcome back to the kingdom of reason

Vogel settle down please.

Your assertions are baseless at best. Armenians are very sypathetic of other genocides that have occurred in the world. Most recently we've raised awareness and funds (if I'm not mistaken) with regard the the ongoing genocide in Sudan. Except a few lost souls, we affirm the genocide of the Jews. And I for one, believe the treatment of MUSLIM (for your satisfaction) Palestinians by Israeli's is at least loosely Genocidal. Informed Armenians attest to the reality of the Cambodian and Rwandan Genocides as well. So I don't know where you get off accussing any majority of Armenians of denying every Genocide but their own.

Now, the Algerian, Congoian, Chechen and other events that you speak of I rarely hear about from anyone accept Turks.

2 things about that:

1. I think the reason Turks talk about them so much is because they have attempted to make a connection between the states that supposedly perpetrated these genocides, and those states being the same that recognize the Armenian Genocide (ie. Belgium, France, etc.)

(Intermediate Note: I for one don't know any significant amout about the events you speak of to make a decision on wether or not genocide occurred. And if books exist by credible historians that attest to this, and I can find them, I may just support what you say)

2. When Turks make fools of themselves on the world stage, denying the Armenian Genocide while 100s of foreign eyewitnesses (without any axe to grind), 100% (2) of Turkey's accomplices to the crime (Kurds and Germans), and experts such as the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and hundreds of the worlds most well respected, unbiased historians AFFIRM the Armenian Genocide - how is anyone supposed to take them seriously when they try to enlighten the world about otherwise unknown genocides?

Should I come across any non-Turkish (non-denialist) sources on the occurrance of the Genocides you speak of, I will surely consider their validity.

In the future, please refrain from making such silly assertions...

[Tongue]

excuse, excuses, excuses... anything it takes to deny the Armenian genocide. Even if it has nothing to do with the subject! So what else is new?

[Vogelgrippe]

Vogel settle down please.

Your assertions are baseless at best. Armenians are very sypathetic of other genocides that have occurred in the world. Most recently we've raised awareness and funds (if I'm not mistaken) with regard the the ongoing genocide in Sudan. Except a few lost souls, we affirm the genocide of the Jews. And I for one, believe the treatment of MUSLIM (for your satisfaction) Palestinians by Israeli's is at least loosely Genocidal. Informed Armenians attest to the reality of the Cambodian and Rwandan Genocides as well. So I don't know where you get off accussing any majority of Armenians of denying every Genocide but their own.

Now, the Algerian, Congoian, Chechen and other events that you speak of I rarely hear about from anyone accept Turks.

2 things about that:

1. I think the reason Turks talk about them so much is because they have attempted to make a connection between the states that supposedly perpetrated these genocides, and those states being the same that recognize the Armenian Genocide (ie. Belgium, France, etc.)

(Intermediate Note: I for one don't know any significant amout about the events you speak of to make a decision on wether or not genocide occurred. And if books exist by credible historians that attest to this, and I can find them, I may just support what you say)

2. When Turks make fools of themselves on the world stage, denying the Armenian Genocide while 100s of foreign eyewitnesses (without any axe to grind), 100% (2) of Turkey's accomplices to the crime (Kurds and Germans), and experts such as the International Association of Genocide Scholars, and hundreds of the worlds most well respected, unbiased historians AFFIRM the Armenian Genocide - how is anyone supposed to take them seriously when they try to enlighten the world about otherwise unknown genocides?

Should I come across any non-Turkish (non-denialist) sources on the occurrance of the Genocides you speak of, I will surely consider their validity.

In the future, please refrain from making such silly assertions...

Hovik, as I wrote here umpteen times, I am not generalizing the views of Armenians, I am only sampling the opinions of Armenians posting here on this forum. I deliberately made them sound blunter in order to point to their silliness, and this probably disturbed you as well.

Here are some truly silly assertions which were made on this forum, and supported by several Armenian members: (I can indicate the exact postings and threads upon your request)

- While all Western, Southwestern, and Northwestern Turkey was occupied by the Greek Army between 1919-1923, Turks committed genocide on Greeks!!!!!

- French had few misdeeds in Algeria, and maybe killed a few. But overall, French occupation was a good thing, because it helped Algerians become more civilized & a little bit European. And even though their country and economy is thriving, millions of Algerians work in France (mostly in xxxxty jobs) out of their pure love for France!!!!

-Turks in Britain campaign for the recognition of Belgian Genocide on Congolese. Many MP's signed the bill. Turks do it to scare off Belgians. When Belgians reject the Armenian bill, Turks will beg to British MP who signed it to withdraw their signatures!!!!!

I sincerely pray to God that the Congolese bill will be approved by the British parliament, even if it is at the expense of Armenian bill being approved at the Belgian parliament. I am the most enthusiastic supporter of Turkey's thorough and honest reconciliation with its history. At the same time, I am the biggest opponent of those who want to single out Turkey as the only country who had failed to face its past misdeeds.

Here is an opportunity for self-criticism for you: You point to a connection between the states that supposedly perpetrated genocides and the states which recognize the Armenian genocide. By that you obviously claim that Turks slander the most innocent, sincere, and self-critical countries with a perfect past, just because they recognize the Armenian genocide.

Can it be, on the contrary, that you guys want to ignore the genocides of your genocide-recognizers so that they do not make a U-Turn and retract their recognition? Or is it simple coincidence that you recognize genocides committed by nations irrevelant to your recognition struggles (such as Cambodian and Rwandan), but not those committed by nations which either protect your borders (Russia) or recognize the A.G (France, Belgium)?

Still, I have to add that you sound open and sincere about your desire to find out more about 'Turkish genocide claims about other nations'. Therefore I accept that the burden of proof is mine regarding material and links about the French and Belgian 'actions' in Africa. To the best of my knowledge, however, ScynthianVizier recently provided excellent sources regarding Russian attrocities on Caucasian Moslems.

[Gavur]

If allegations of other Genocides did not come from Turks with bad intentions it might warrant an answer but what you guys are doing is too transparent and you know it!