New Iraqi Passports w/ Kurdish script

[imported_Hellektor]

Bring Back The Amoeba!

you do not want to understand me or you are not as clever as I suppose.I did not say they were not there,They were in Persian land and they had been sent to Anatolia (I wonder by who or what for... H.)...but they couldn't be succesfull about having a country ...they lived under defend of other nations. as you lived until Lozan

Except for the last delirious bit (we were crushed under Lausanne, you mollusk!) this paragraph should be engraved on a tablet and erected on the summit of Mount Ararat. If I had any say, I'd bring this amoeba back for this greatest show of wisdom ever by a Turk on this forum. No sarcasm intended.

[Bulgarian]

Turkey does not recognise the new Iraqi passport with Kurdish script

This is why Turkey will be seen as a backward and a un-European nation.

Shame on Turkey, how can those in power sleep at night?

[kerkuk_kurdista]

But tell me Ratsiz, what happened to the Kurds being Mountain Turks, weren't they called that for decades? Was that not the official policy of your state? Did you not deny their very existence as a seperate ethnic group?

It's easy my friend.

The policy of the Turks regarding Kurds and any other minority in the region is total extermination.

Why is Turkey interferring with Kurdish questions even outside Turkey.
Is the enslavement of Kurds in Turkey not enough they now want to opress Kurds in Iraq too? This is the Hitler-style tactic against Jews (find them in any country).

Why would Turks and the Turkish government bother a Kurdish state in the north of Iraq? If the Kurds in Turkey are happy with their situation, they would not want to separate either. But it shows itself that it's policy of extermination of Kurds is going on daily. End this terror!

[imported_Hellektor]

It's easy my friend.

The policy of the Turks regarding Kurds and any other minority in the region is total extermination.

Why is Turkey interferring with Kurdish questions even outside Turkey.
Is the enslavement of Kurds in Turkey not enough they now want to opress Kurds in Iraq too? This is the Hitler-style tactic against Jews (find them in any country).

Why would Turks and the Turkish government bother a Kurdish state in the north of Iraq? If the Kurds in Turkey are happy with their situation, they would not want to separate either. But it shows itself that it's policy of extermination of Kurds is going on daily. End this terror!

The Turk is most tolerant if you say you are a Turk. When you say: "sorry, but I'm not a Turk", they get pissed and annihilate you. That's their small, little, tiny défaut. Say you are a Turk and live happily ever after.

The Euroxxxs don't know this, so I hope Turkey enters EU and makes doner kabab of their men by their scimitars and shish kabab of their women with their you know what. The xxxxxxs deserve it.

[kerkuk_kurdista]

The Turk is most tolerant if you say you are a Turk. When you say: "sorry, but I'm not a Turk", they get pissed and annihilate you. That's their small, little, tiny défaut. Say you are a Turk and live happily ever after.

The Euroxxxs don't know this, so I hope Turkey enters EU and makes doner kabab of their men by their scimitars and shish kabab of their women with their you know what. The xxxxxxs deserve it.

Indeed, stupid EU and USA support this terrorist state just for their own interests. And you are right, in Europe when a Turk sees someone with a meditteranean look, he will automatically begin talking with Turkish. They think the whole world is Turkish. If you say you don't speak Turkish, they act like they are insulted. Sure the Turks are a indoctrinated people, they really need to get back their conscience.

[Joseph]

Wed 21 Jun 2006

Turks target mayors for TV plea
MARGARET NEIGHBOUR

A TURKISH prosecutor has demanded 15 years' imprisonment for 56 Kurdish mayors who wrote to Denmark's prime minister urging him to resist Turkish calls to ban an allegedly pro-rebel Kurdish television station.

The mayors are expected to stand trial soon in Diyarbakir, the largest city in Turkey's Kurdish-dominated south-east, where Kurdish guerrillas have been fighting for autonomy for more than two decades.

The trial is likely to further strain Turkey's ties with the European Union, which has been pressuring the EU-candidate country to expand freedom of speech and improve treatment of its Kurdish minority.

Ankara does not recognise the Kurds as an official minority and has ruled out any dialogue with the guerrillas.

The mayors were charged after they wrote to Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Danish prime minister, asking him to keep the Roj TV station on the air in Denmark despite claims from Turkey that it was a mouthpiece for the guerrilla group, the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

The indictment accused the mayors of aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation. The PKK has been listed by both the EU and the US as a terrorist group.

Mr Fogh Rasmussen said: "I find it rather shocking ... that because you write a letter to me, you are being accused of violating the law. It is shocking that it can take place in a country which is seeking EU membership."

This article: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/inte...m?id=906182006

[imported_RUDO]

you are very clever at the same time not logical.kurdish people think Iraq is their land but in the history never a kurdistan existed.

You are looking at your history written by racist Turks.

If you look at objective history,you will see that Mesopotamia has been Kurds' mother lands for centuries.

Our political ideas are generally shaped by histories,you know.

[Joseph]

At the expense of Kurds: Building a new era in U.S.-Turkey relations

Monday, June 26, 2006

KurdishMedia.com - By Sosun Welat


Every so often, we see an article here and there about the relationship between the US and Turkey. In most of these articles regardless where it comes from whether it is from liberals or conservatives they all point to the alarming deterioration of situation between the two countries. In addition, they all make the point that the course must be changed; Turkey must be courted and appeased. They further defend the point that Turkey is needed in the fight against terrorism as gateway to spread America’s message to the rest of Islamic World.

Furthermore having a democratic Islamic Turkey in the western bloc is a proof that an Islamic country able to adapt western democracy and its values. Moreover, they all emphasize that Turkey can join the EU only and only at the expense of all Kurds. These ideas are floating around from Rand Corporation to Brooking Institute and from editorial pages of NY Times to Washington Post and all other influential think tanks and media outlets.

None of these analysts, specialists, writers and all others can see the dynamics of change set in motion in the entire world specifically in the Middle East right after the collapse of old Soviet Union. They cannot understand that the good old days are gone and “The New World Order” as paraphrased by the elder President Bush is taking place with more liberty and justice for the oppressed.

They cannot win back Turkey by just clipping the wings of Southern Kurds and preventing Kirkuk to be in Kurds control, because Turks have more ambitions, such as uniting all Turks from Edirne to all other Turkic republics such as Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and recover all Arab and Greek lands, islands lost during the First World War I. Recent provocations of Turkish Air Forces and Greek Air Forces in the Aegean air space just a reminder to these facts. This is clearly against the America’s and EU interests. They cannot understand that the status quo cannot go on as did during the cold war era by helping Turkey of denying Kurdish national rights for over 70 years. The biggest danger to Turkey is not PKK presence in Qandil Mountains. The biggest problem to Turkey’s stability is its denial of other nations within and outside its borders.

In addition, its policies of forceful Turkification of cultures, languages, nations; its denial of Kurdish rights; its denial of its own history by denying Armenian, Kurdish, and Assyrians massacres; its denial of eliminating Greeks from western Anatolia.

Furthermore Turkey cannot see the point that the Turkish national aspirations and interests are in collision course with the national interests of United States, whilst the national interests of Kurds are in tandem with the interests of United States. No matter what they can do or suggest America cannot win back Turkey as trusted ally. On the other hand, the relationship between America and Turkey will worsen as stability and prosperity will take hold in Iraq particularly in Southern Kurdistan.

Contrary to their suggestion, Turkey was never a democratic and never will be. Turkey was not established on the basis of law and justice; it was established on the basis of deceit and theft. Therefor it is an illegal state. It promised Kurds and other Anatolian peoples a motherland based on equality and Justice. Turkish National Assembly in early 1920, there were more than over 30 Kurdish and other ethnic Members of Parliament. After The Lausanne Treaty was signed all Kurdish MP were eliminated by assassinations, exiles and imprisonment. One of those MP requested in his will to be buried at one of crossroads anywhere in Kurdistan so that passers-by can spit on his grave because he realized that he betrayed his Kurdish nation by supporting Mustafa Kemal in his negotiations in Lausanne during the negotiations in early 1920. All Kurdish MP supported Kemal with understanding and promise from him that Anatolia was going to be homeland for Kurds and Turks. However, he retracted on his promises once the treaty was signed. He started the elimination of all patriotic MPs and suppression of Kurdish culture, language and severe persecution of Kurdish people.

Turkey has an identity problem. First, it was established by bunch of losers of Ottoman Generals who run away from the Front Lines of war with Allied Forces of World War I. They forced on Anatolian people Turkish ideology, which was not in existence except among “Young Turks “or “Jon Turks”

They are not democratic because they are not tolerant to other ethnic and religious minorities. Up to early 1980 before PKK was born, Alawi of Anatolia were severely persecuted. As I remember in my early childhood, our rituals were held with fear of being busted by the Gendarme of the state. When the Seid (Pir) was visiting our village and holding a Ciwat (Mass) on one of our holiest days (Xizir celebrations) some of the older kids had to be on watch out on the rooftops to watch if any Gendarme regiment were coming toward the village so that we could have early warning system. During my studies through middle school to college in various cities in Turkey, I had to hide my identity and face many slurs, curses, and insults thrown on many different occasions as part of normal conversation without any provocation. Only after PKK was born the Alawis were courted in order to win them back to prevent the Kurdish Alawis to join Kurdish national movement.

Up to 1980 Kurdish Alawi are seen as threat to the state due to first Kurdish national uprising was in early 1920 in Kochgiri region of Northern Kurdistan and then the 1937 Dersim uprising.

Even today, religious liberties do not exist in Turkey. The problems with Greek Orthodox Church are widely known. There is no way any Christian missionary can start a work in Turkey. Even previous Christian churches are either demolished or converted to mosques as the way the Ottomans Ayah Sofia Church to a mosque. Even today, a Christian and Jewish or any other non-Muslim citizen cannot become a judge, a general, a police officer or any other public servant.

It is not a democratic country because it is banning a language of over 25 million of its own people, whilst even during the apartheid era of South Africa the black people could spoke their own language. It is not democratic country because it is denying all other Anatolian peoples their existence (The Hurriyet Newspaper’s motto says it all “Turkey Belongs to Turks”) and forcing them to be Turks.

It is not democratic because it is trying to reshape entire Anatolia’s cities, towns, villages and hamlets by force.

In short, they are suggesting to get rid of PKK, will give Turkey what it wants and things will be as good as before. However, they fail to recognize that PKK’s presence is more obstacles to Kurdish national movement than to Turkey. To true Kurdish patriots PKK is obsolete. Its demise will unleash the very natural desire of self-determination of Kurdistan among all Kurds.

They fail to recognize that Turkey’s problems do not stem from under development of East and South East but failing to recognize the national rights of Kurdish people. A democratic country would have done it long time ago. PKK is not Turkey’s problem. It is the product of Turkey’s policies. It cannot complain to America or EU about it, Turkey must put its house in order if wants better days ahead.

They fail to recognize that it is not Turkish friendship that America needs anymore, it is The Kurds that America needs in the New World Order. Under new socio-economic and political map, Kurds hold the balancing power. They will rise to the situation as they did by saving Jerusalem from destruction under the leadership of The Saladin, the Great.

However, this time for their own National rights not for being the soldier of Islam or any other religion.

In such hostile region, specifically in Iraq, Kurds have proven to be reliable allies. Kurds of Southern Kurdistan are proving to Turks, Arabs, Persians and to the rest of world that can govern by embracing, pluralism, market economy and multi -culturalism, ethnicities and religions. By ignoring their basic natural rights and denying, those to their lands will lead to more catastrophic uncontrollable situations.

Do not trust unreliable Turks on the expense of reliable Kurds

[HayerMiacek]

maybe this reality makes you TROUBLED BUT IT MAKES ME VERY COMFORTABLE.HISTORY IS A SUN AND THIS SUN LIGHTENS EVERYBODY WHO FAS A BRAIN

and unfortunately this does not apply to you

[Joseph]

Confessions of an Honest Kurd;
The Assyrian & Armenian Genocide;
Past and present *

by Haydar Isik I ***

April 17, 2005
Translated from the German Language. wm.warda

I am an Alevi Kurd! Where we lived there were no mosques. In my childhood I admired the ruins of the Armenian churches in the area. Though their walls had crumbled the domes supported by the columns still stood. The marvelous pictures painted on them could still be seen. My birth city was called "Kizilkilise" or 'Red Church' in the Kurdish language . [it probably had a Syriac or Armenian name before] But later like other Kurdish names the Kizilkilise was changed to 'Nazimiye' by the Turkish government.

My childhood was affected by two important historical events. One was the Dersim massacre of the Kurds in 1937/38 , when 70,000 of them were killed by the Turkish army which still is very fresh and sorrowful in my mind. The other was the Armenian Genocide, of 1915-16 by the Turks which exterminated one and half million Armenians and a half million Assyrians. During the winter months I often heard about the sorrowful fate of our Armenian neighbors and it made me cry.

To achieve racial supremacy in Anatolia, the Turkish regime wiped out first the Armenians and Assyrians and then the Kurds. General Kazim Karabekir, who had participated in the killing of the Armenians and Assyrians once had said: "le yandan zo zo lari, doenuence de lo lo larin isini bitirecegiz." 'We will exterminate the Armenians with an invasion to the east, on our way back we will do the same with the Kurds.'

It was always the strategy of the Turks to kill or drive out the country first the Christian Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks to turn the country into an islamic nation, then to carry out similar genocide and ethnocide against the Kurds. To accomplish this Turkish rulers promoted hatred and incited one people against the other.. The Kurdish feudal chieftains became instrumental in carrying out these Turkish policies.

The Turkish regime used sunni tribes in Northern Kurdistan who lived side by side with the Armenians and Assyrians in Mesopotamia to implement its policies. The Aschirets (tribe) which lived in Van, Urfa, Agri; Mus and Bingöl were known as Hasenen, Cibran, Zirkan, Sipkan, Zilan, Milan etc.. These Aschirets were a minority of the Kurds. The Aleviti Kurds, the yezidis and the rest of the sunni Kurds provided no assistance to the Turks.

A minority of Kurds was used to kill Christians to prove their loyalty to Turkey and Islam. Today's Kurds see the massacre of the Armenians [and Assyrians] as a shame on Kurds. I am ashamed that Kurds were involved in killing their neighbors in such barbarous manners.

In the shadow of the 1ST world war, during the rule of Pascha Enver Talat and Cemal, Turks organized the Christian pogrom in Anatolia and Mesopotamia with the approval and knowledge of Germany. It was the first genocide in human history that was carefully planned and carried out. However one needs to see the other side of the coin also. The rag-tag brigades, recruited by Turkey out of 36 Kurdish tribes, which were used to massacre the Christian were also incited against the Alevi and the yezidie (moslem) Kurds.

The regiments were formed exclusively out of the sunni tribes in Northern kurdistan which means, the young Turkish regime (Ittihat Terakki) intentions were to incite one section of the Kurds against the other according to the principle of "divide and conquer". Consequently animosities between Sunni and Alevi Kurds continues to this day.

The Hamidiyeh regiments was also used against the Kurds to undermine the Kurdish aspirations for independence. Their Attacks against the Armenians, Assyrians or Kurds remain a blemish in the history of the Kurds. Nothing holds back the Kurdish descent bandits who attacked Armenian villages yesterday and killed countless people from killing their own. One has to ask is it just for anyone to kill other human beings because someone orders them to do so?

Yes, the story of the humanity is full of such events. About 50 years ago the German fascism massacred the Jews in industrial fashion. They believed that their victims deserved to die! Hitler has been quoted as having said that the Kemali Turks were masters of the Armenian and Assyrian Genocide. "The world watched as the Kamalist Turks massacred the Armenians. Who will object if I massacre the Jews?"
This is why the two largest Genocide *of the twentieth century happened. *

Now Turkey is using Kurds to fight their compatriots. Like the Hamidiyeh brigades of the past which Killed 100.000 of their own people, Kurdish gangs have been equipped to fight against the Kurdish liberation movement, which fights for liberty and well-being being of the Kurds living in the mountains.

The same mentality which massacred the Armenians and the Assyrians yesterday , is responsible for the killing of the Kurds today. The Kurds in Dersim provided protection for their Armenian neighbors despite pressure from the Turks, however such kindness cost them dearly when Turks massacred them in 1937/38 partly for that reason.

Turkey is a country of various people, Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Assyrians and other minorities. Although Turkey has signed almost all the international treaties including: The 'General Declaration of the Human Rights', the 'European Convention of Human Rights', the 'CSCE treaty' , which promises Equal Rights, Self-determination, and rights of minorities to teach their mother tongue, Turkey has denied such liberties to its none Turk citizens, yet it wants to join the European union.

The Armenians were exterminated by the policy of Turkey in Anatolia. We, the Kurds would like to live peacefully together with our neighbors, Armenians, Assyrians and Turks in a country, where the sound of the church-bells and the call of the Muezzin can be heard side by side. We are not any more the Kurds who were used as tool by Turkey to exterminate their Christian neighbors. We are ashamed and would like to make amend and do well.

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