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Bush's Nominee for new ambassador to Armenia has Publicly Denied the Genocide.

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  • #81
    Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
    I don't suppose that it is funny and it is not the reality. Maybe you are curious about how much of Turkish population is ignorant of historical facts. There is a research on awareness of Turkish people about history: in a part of the research, young people are asked some historical events and % 73 of them answered wrong.

    And much more interesting research: Kevork Bogosian and Ferhat Kentel made a research about how two societies see each other:


    Important note: According to me, these results doesnot imply that Armenians have more prejudice. Because, the only "enemy" for Armenian nationalistic imagination is Turk. His/her identity is formed by this hate and it is based on persecution, especially Genocide. On the other hand, Turkish nationalistic imagination is so rich to produce "enemies" (Greek, Western powers, Arabs, Kurds and Turkish opponents...) and not persecuted dismissing the 'fact' that Turks suffered Armenian bands.
    The sad thing Arda is that many young people worldwide have little ideas of history, geography and other important social subjects. I think we've a couple or more youngsters, both Armenian and turk, here who buck that trend and show a maturity of view in advance of their years. (even if sometimes, as with us all, they become impetuous)
    Do you think that when people are asked questions in a survey that they answer the way they think they should rather than the way they truly think?

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    • #82
      Originally posted by steph View Post
      Do you think that when people are asked questions in a survey that they answer the way they think they should rather than the way they truly think?
      I got and totally agree. But in that case, mustn't we be more careful when describing a totality; a people, a country, a religion etc.?

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      • #83
        Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
        I got and totally agree. But in that case, mustn't we be more careful when describing a totality; a people, a country, a religion etc.?
        100%.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
          I got and totally agree. But in that case, mustn't we be more careful when describing a totality; a people, a country, a religion etc.?
          Agree.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #85
            Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
            And much more interesting research: Kevork Bogosian and Ferhat Kentel made a research about how two societies see each other:

            What do you think about Turks/Armenians?

            Turks
            Negative: 30.8 %
            Very negative: 6.6 %

            Armenians
            Negative: 47.2 %
            Very negative: 27.8 %

            "I don't marry with a Turk/Armenian", do you agree?

            Turks
            Yes: 68.1 %

            Armenians
            Yes: 94.1 %
            Well there are some very obvious objective reasons for Armenians to hate turks, what is the reason for turks to hate Armenians?
            Just ignorance and state propaganda.
            I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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            • #86
              Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
              I don't suppose that it is funny and it is not the reality. Maybe you are curious about how much of Turkish population is ignorant of historical facts. There is a research on awareness of Turkish people about history: in a part of the research, young people are asked some historical events and % 73 of them answered wrong.
              Well that exactly what I mean: if 73% are ignorant , than the rest 22% are aware and just hypocrites. The rest is a 1% of honest and educated people.

              No scientific survey, just personal experience

              And yes it is not funny, but what we supposed to do: cry?
              I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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              • #87
                Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
                No scientific survey, just personal experience
                In that case, personal experience means fallacy; appeal to personal anectode or hasty generalization.

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                • #88
                  It's quite obvious that the biggest reason for the appointment of the man is the war in Iraq, and the fact that 60% of our supplies and munitions go through Turkey.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                    In that case, personal experience means fallacy; appeal to personal anectode or hasty generalization.
                    Ever herd word : DEMAGOGiA ?
                    I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
                      Ever herd word : DEMAGOGiA ?
                      If you don't have any evidence and you propose "x % of Patagonians are ignorant and y % of them are hypocrite and only 1 % of them well-educated", also if you are only based on undefinable 'personal experience', it is nothing than fallacy.

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