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Bush's Nominee for new ambassador to Armenia has Publicly Denied the Genocide.

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  • #91
    Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
    If you don't have any evidence and you propose "x % of Patagonians are ignorant and y % of them are hypocrite and only 1 % of them well-educated", also if you are only based on undefinable 'personal experience', it is nothing than fallacy.
    Well it is not exactly true. I was basing my statement on numbers you brought up, I just added to them my observations... I didn’t say just 1% are well educated; I said JUST 1% ARE HONEST. I do not care what the education rate in turkey is (also I suspect it is not very high...)
    Well if it would be Patagonia maybe you would be right. But common man, we are talking about turkey, what evidence else you need? You do not need a scientific survey: if reading Turkish papers and books wouldn’t give you the picture you just go around country and talk to people (that what exactly I did).
    I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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    • #92
      Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
      Well it is not exactly true. I was basing my statement on numbers you brought up, I just added to them my observations... I didn’t say just 1% are well educated; I said JUST 1% ARE HONEST. I do not care what the education rate in turkey is (also I suspect it is not very high...)
      Well if it would be Patagonia maybe you would be right. But common man, we are talking about turkey, what evidence else you need? You do not need a scientific survey: if reading Turkish papers and books wouldn’t give you picture you just go around country and talk to people (that what exactly I did).
      I donot object the result you obtained, i simply reject the way you obtain this result. Not the result but methodology.

      Once if you legitimate results coming from "personal experience", lots of absurdity will appear.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
        I donot object the result you obtained, i simply reject the way you obtain this result. Not the result but methodology.

        Once if you legitimate results coming from "personal experience", lots of absurdity will appear.
        I do not "legitimate" any thing; I just express my personal opinion. I am not a sociologist....
        I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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        • #94
          Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
          I do not "legitimate" any thing; I just express my personal opinion. I am not a sociologist....
          Neither am I.

          In your personal opinions, there were more than personal.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
            Neither am I.

            In your personal opinions, there were more than personal.
            What you mean?
            I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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            • #96
              You may find this interesting. Extract from Robert Fisk's article:

              Robert Fisk’s World: How can anyone believe there is 'progress' in the Middle East?

              An interesting test of Obama's gumption is going to come scarcely three months after his inauguration when he will have a little promise to honour. Yup, it's that dratted 24 April commemoration of the Armenian genocide when Armenians remember the 1.5 million of their countrymen – citizens of the Ottoman empire slaughtered by the Turks – on the anniversary of the day in 1915 when the first Armenian professors, artists and others were taken off to execution by the Ottoman authorities.

              Bill Clinton promised Armenians he'd call it a "genocide" if they helped to elect him to office. George Bush did the same. So did Obama. The first two broke their word and resorted to "tragedy" rather than "genocide" once they'd got the votes, because they were frightened of all those bellowing Turkish generals, not to mention – in Bush's case – the US military supply routes through Turkey, the "roads and so on" as Robert Gates called them in one of history's more gripping ironies, these being the same "roads and so on" upon which the Armenians were sent on their death marches in 1915. And Mr Gates will be there to remind Obama of this. So I bet you – I absolutely bet on the family cat – that Obama is going to find that "genocide" is "tragedy" by 24 April.

              By chance, I browsed through Turkish Airlines' in-flight magazine while cruising into Istanbul earlier this month and found an article on the historical Turkish region of Harput. "Asia's natural garden", "a popular holiday resort", the article calls Harput, "where churches dedicated to the Virgin Mary rise next to tombs of the ancestors of Mehmet the Conqueror".

              Odd, all those churches, isn't it? And you have to shake your head to remember that Harput was the centre of the Christian Armenian genocide, the city from which Leslie Davis, the brave American consul in Harput, sent back his devastating eyewitness dispatches of the thousands of butchered Armenian men and women whose corpses he saw with his own eyes. But I guess that all would spoil the "natural garden" effect. It's a bit like inviting tourists to the Polish town of Oswiecim – without mentioning that its German name is Auschwitz.

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              • #97
                He's my favorite journalist and about the only one prepared to stick his head out for people who have no voice in the west and are suffering.

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                • #98
                  He should be knighted,I think.
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Gavur
                    He should be knighted,I think.
                    Yep but the UK government hates him. He insulted Tony Blair a lot.

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                    • Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
                      Yep but the UK government hates him. He insulted Tony Blair a lot.
                      that's quite a plus point. But seriously, he'd probably refuse a knighthood, he's got too much integrity.

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