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What do Armenians think of Ataturk?

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  • #11
    He saved Turkey for the Turks. If not for him, Turkey would be half its size at best, and possibly a militant Islamic country today. So in that sense, he was a hero for the Turkish people. For Armenians, Greeks and Kurds, he was a disaster.

    I'm sure many Armenians today curse the Armenian who saved Ataturk's life, which resulted in 90 years of enslavement of the Armenian people to communist rule. On the other hand, that enslavement may have been the only thing that secured the long-term existence of the Armenian nation, only God knows what would have happened if that Armenian had not saved Ataturk.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by phantom
      I'm sure many Armenians today curse the Armenian who saved Ataturk's life, which resulted in 90 years of enslavement of the Armenian people to communist rule.


      Which Armenian did this?

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      • #13
        Armenian Genocide was a calculated and organized one(maybe just like other ones) that happened during the leadership of these pashas and envers(actually we can see its preliminary signs in late 19th century and the début of the mass killings to a smaller rate)so this was inevitable and even if ataturk was at the head of Turkey, this was going to happen so I don’t see much difference between them. Shouldn’t forget the fact that denying the Genocide could be equal to recommitting it or approving of, so he was a jerk just like other Turkish rulers.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Bulgarian


          Which Armenian did this?
          Never knew an Armenian saved his life. But I do know that Enver's life was saved by an Armenian soldier at the Sarikamish front.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #15
            An Armenian saved a Bulgarian.
            Kurds helped the Turks

            Sometimes I think it is we (the enslaved people by the Turks) that have made the Turks and Turkey kill us so much.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by kerkuk_kurdista
              An Armenian saved a Bulgarian.
              Kurds helped the Turks

              Sometimes I think it is we (the enslaved people by the Turks) that have made the Turks and Turkey kill us so much.
              Divide a conquer was the name of the game
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Joseph
                Never knew an Armenian saved his life. But I do know that Enver's life was saved by an Armenian soldier at the Sarikamish front.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by phantom
                  After reading that I have come to the conclusion that the Armenian Berch Keresteciyan "Turker" was the second biggest calamity to fall upon the Armenian race, second only to the genocide.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Bulgarian
                    After reading that I have come to the conclusion that the Armenian Berch Keresteciyan "Turker" was the second biggest calamity to fall upon the Armenian race, second only to the genocide.
                    Unfortunately, we had our fare share of traitors (such as Kachazouni) and people who sincerely believed they would never be massacred, even when it was happening all around them. There have always been people who chose money or the surrendering of family, pride, religion, etc and have willingly turned their back on their own people and then there are always people too trusting, naive and/or stupid to see the writing on the wall.
                    It may be too late but I do feel that present day Armenia and Armenians worldwide have wised up. Certainly we still have our church schisms and we did suffer through the Ter-Petrossian philosophy of giving up hope (not to forget the mafia plague) but Armenians finally overcame some of their past burdens in Artsakh and the dual nature or their current diplomacy. They trust no one, which is good. As old British axiom says, "There are no such things as friends only interests", as brutal as it sounds, is the order of the day and a wise philosophy.
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by phantom

                      Yikes. Gotta love that first part, to paraphrase the Turkish point of view;
                      "See, some Armenians are honorable". Pathetic.
                      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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