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  • #11
    Originally posted by elendil
    Turkey actually played the risky game, it is a historical fact. We won the game but we also paid the price in form of dark understanding of a hybrid Turkish nationalism and Islamicly justified violence parameter of our nationalism. Though looking at the empire's situation at those times, I can not expect another course of action..
    Thanks for your response.

    I don't agree with the above. I don't agree by declaring Jihad against Armenians that Turkey "Won the game". And the price isn't "dark understanding of a hybrid Turkish nationlism", The price was Turkish guilt of committing 1.5 million murders, and 90 years of cover-up money and efforts. As long as Turkey values its failing denial campaign, the price is yet to be determined...

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Joseph
      I guess you can see Gondorian that Armenia is in a bit of a quandry (as I've mentioned before, everyone is going to lose in the greater M.E. conflicts to some degree). We tend to have positive relations with boths Arabs and Persians so Armenians are very reluctant to take sides in a Christian/Muslim conflict and surely have so much to lose if they become involved. We seem to be forever between the hammer and the anvil.
      I understand, but it is a bit annoying to hear high ranking Armenians say Jihad means life when we are putting so much effort into fighting Jihad, I am sorry about losing my patience.

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      • #13
        An interesting thread:

        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Gondorian
          I understand, but it is a bit annoying to hear high ranking Armenians say Jihad means life when we are putting so much effort into fighting Jihad, I am sorry about losing my patience.

          I agree. I also feel that even more so than the Armenia, Christians lving in Muslim nations (which includes many Armenians) are in a very perilous condition. Things will certainly not get any easier for them. I do feel a massive war (a religious war) is coming and though I feel the west will win, the Christian communities in the M.E. will be wiped out before the victory.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Gondorian
            I understand, but it is a bit annoying to hear high ranking Armenians say Jihad means life when we are putting so much effort into fighting Jihad, I am sorry about losing my patience.
            Ummm, perhaps I'm missing something here but it seems as if you think that a "high ranking Armenian" was saying that Jihad means life...

            Well, unless I'm mistaken Mufti of the Arab Republic of Syria Sheikh Ahmad Badr Al-Din Hasun is a Mufti of the Arab Republic of Syria (as his title suggests. If his name was "Mufti of the Republic of Armenia" (which it isn't) then perhaps he would fall into the catagory "high ranking Armenian". However, as it is, he is a Syrian representative.

            Furthermore, the article doesn't suggest that the actual "high ranking Armenians" who were present to recieve the Syrian delegation agreed with this perspective. It did state that the actual "high ranking Armenian" did highlight that the Mufti visited during a time whe the neighboring country's (Azerbaijan) religious leader was threatening Jihad against Armenia.

            So to recap:

            The "high ranking Armenians" DID NOT make the statement that "Jihad means life".

            The Mufti of the Arab Republic of Syria Sheikh Ahmad Badr Al-Din Hasun DID IN FACT make the statement that "Jihad means life".

            (I should note that in my opinion, the Mufti made this statement (whether you agree with the actual statement or not) in a show of diplomatic solidarity with Armenia, not a show of solidarity of any kind with Jihadists...)

            I hope this clears things up for you.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by elendil
              Armenia's religious background is not helping since christian nations of the world in general have simply advanced too much in mentality to seek a unification on the basis of religion which is a idea of a backwards way of thinking.
              I could say the same things about Pan-Turkism, although sometimes it seems like the Turkic nations of the world have not advanced enough in mentality to realize that unification on the basis of being Turkic is unachievable and ultimately a pipe dream.

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              • #17
                I could say the same things about Pan-Turkism, although sometimes it seems like the Turkic nations of the world have not advanced enough in mentality to realize that unification on the basis of being Turkic is unachievable and ultimately a pipe dream.
                Well, what can I say. The unficiation seems unlikely in distant future but an alliance perhaps can be made...Though I did not understand how the issue shifted to pan-turanism...

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