Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!


2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


- PLEASE READ -

Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.


8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Conferderacy of Morons: The New Thread

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    16. Apparently, the 50,000 or so Armenians of Iraq in the 1940's and 1950's had repeatedly slaughtered the Turcomans in Iraq. Interesting. See, the Turks claim there are somewhere between 1.5- 3.0 million Turcomans in Iraq (though the number may be closer to 300,000) so this is once again a situation where the Armenian supermen, using their small forces of craftsmen, teachers, merchants, artists, clergy, - men, women, children, elderly, infirm- have overome amazing odds and slaughtered Turks at a ratio of 50:1. Is there anything Armenians can't do?!?!? The Spartans at Thermopalae ain't got nothing on us!



    04.09.2007 17:29:20
    Front of Iraqi Turkmans to Open Representative Office in Azerbaijan


    Azerbaijan, Baku / ?rend corr S. Ilhamgizi / The Front of Iraqi Turkomans intend to open a representative office in Azerbaijan, the head of Turkman Adalat, Anvar Hamid Bayrakdar, reported at a symposium of Iraqi Turkomans in Baku on 4 September.


    The problems of Iraqi Turkomans should be the centre of attention of Azerbaijani NGOs, human right activists, MPs, as well as international organizations, Bayrakdar said. After the collapse of the Great Ottoman Empire an eviction policy began in Iraq in respect of Turkomans. In 1924, 1946 and 1959 Armenians and the English committed the mass slaughter of Turkomans.


    According to Bayrakdar, arrests of Turkomans lasted over 35 years. In this period 13 of 37 prisoners sentenced to over 20 year’s imprisonment were Turkomans. The plan to evict the population from their native land to deserts was a failure as military action began.


    “In order to work in state bodies, buy land and property Turkomans had to reject their nationality. In 2003, after the collapse of the regime, Iraq underwent US occupation. The people were cheated about the construction of a democratic government, about the extermination of terrorism. The US’s main purpose in its Middle East project was because of Iraq’s oil and to occupy Syria and Iran afterwards,” the representative of Iraqi Turkomans added.


    According to him, 1mln people have died since 2003, the country experiences inflation and unemployment.


    Turkomans (or Turkmen) is an ethic group of Muslims having close cultural and linguistic bonds with the residents of Turkish Anatolia .
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by Joseph View Post
      16. Apparently, the 50,000 or so Armenians of Iraq in the 1940's and 1950's had repeatedly slaughtered the Turcomans in Iraq. Interesting. See, the Turks claim there are somewhere between 1.5- 3.0 million Turcomans in Iraq (though the number may be closer to 300,000) so this is once again a situation where the Armenians supermen, using their forces of craftsmen, teachers, merchants, artists, clergy, - men, women, children, elderly, infirm- have overome amazing odds and slaughtered Turks at a ratio of 50:1. Is there anything Armenians can't do?!?!? The Spartans at Thermopalae ain't got nothing on us!



      04.09.2007 17:29:20
      Front of Iraqi Turkmans to Open Representative Office in Azerbaijan


      Azerbaijan, Baku / ?rend corr S. Ilhamgizi / The Front of Iraqi Turkomans intend to open a representative office in Azerbaijan, the head of Turkman Adalat, Anvar Hamid Bayrakdar, reported at a symposium of Iraqi Turkomans in Baku on 4 September.


      The problems of Iraqi Turkomans should be the centre of attention of Azerbaijani NGOs, human right activists, MPs, as well as international organizations, Bayrakdar said. After the collapse of the Great Ottoman Empire an eviction policy began in Iraq in respect of Turkomans. In 1924, 1946 and 1959 Armenians and the English committed the mass slaughter of Turkomans.


      According to Bayrakdar, arrests of Turkomans lasted over 35 years. In this period 13 of 37 prisoners sentenced to over 20 year’s imprisonment were Turkomans. The plan to evict the population from their native land to deserts was a failure as military action began.


      “In order to work in state bodies, buy land and property Turkomans had to reject their nationality. In 2003, after the collapse of the regime, Iraq underwent US occupation. The people were cheated about the construction of a democratic government, about the extermination of terrorism. The US’s main purpose in its Middle East project was because of Iraq’s oil and to occupy Syria and Iran afterwards,” the representative of Iraqi Turkomans added.


      According to him, 1mln people have died since 2003, the country experiences inflation and unemployment.


      Turkomans (or Turkmen) is an ethic group of Muslims having close cultural and linguistic bonds with the residents of Turkish Anatolia .

      WHY HALACOGLU DECIDED TO MENTION THE LISTS OF CONVERTED ARMENIANS
      By H. Charkian, Translated by A.M.

      AZG Armenian Daily #163
      08/09/2007

      Scandal in Turkey

      After the scandalous statement of August 18, head of the Turkish
      Historic Union professor Halacoglu made another statement on
      August 21. "In order to avoid the deportation of 1915, Armenians,
      who pretended to be Alavis or Kurds, adopted Islam. In 1920s the
      number of 'Armenian dyonme's reached 100 thousand. In 1936-37 the
      Government disclosed all of them. I have got those lists," he said.

      This statement, although more precise than the previous one, increased
      the rumors about Halacoglu.

      Nevertheless, the most remarkable part of all those statements is
      that Halacoglu de facto admitted that deportation in 1915 meant death
      to Armenians.

      Halacoglu did not even mention that great numbers of Armenian young
      women and children were turned to Islam perforce, but confesses that
      Islam did not save the converted Armenians from massacre, either,
      otherwise why should Kemalists discover their dwellings and make
      their lists in 1936-37?

      Due to these confessions by Halacoglu, Nevzat Onayan in an article
      published on "Evrensel.net" discovered that in 1935 the Turkish
      Government realized two kinds of population census - public and
      secret. The official, public census was realized in October 1935,
      and the secret - in July 1935. The corresponding law had been adopted
      on May 3, 1934. This law was never officially published and came into
      power in secret.

      Moreover, on June 14, 1934 Internal Affairs Minister of Turkey Sukryu
      Kaya, close comrade of Kemal Ataturk and a Jew from Salonicae by
      origin, announced at the parliament, "Dear Sirs, this is the law,
      which will ensure the solution of the most vital problem in this state,
      the problem of language".

      By the way, on August 22 "BIA" news agency reported that one the very
      eve of the World War I the "Ittihat ve terakki" party sent someone
      Esat Uras to Armenian regions of Turkey, in order to find out whether
      Armenians could be assimilated with other peoples or no. The latter
      came to the following conclusion, "The Kurds can be assimilated,
      but the Armenians - no; therefore they must be nutralized".

      In the September 7 release of "Radikal" Fuat Dyundar supplemented
      the information of "BIA" agency.

      "Especially in autumn 1915, when the major part of Armenians of
      Anatolia were deported, Taleat Pasa started persecution of converted
      Armenians. The statistics services were demanded to collect information
      about perverted Armenians from the regions and to report to the
      central authorities each month.

      The authorities demanded not only the number of Armenians to be
      registered, but also the addresses and all the members of the
      families," wrote Dyundar.

      He notes that the 1915 order about deportation of all Armenians forced
      many to adopt Islam, so as to save their lives. At first Taleat Pasa
      ordered not to deport the converted Armenians, but when their number
      considerably increased, he changed his mind and ordered to deport all
      Armenians irrespective of their religion. Later Taleat made a law that
      only Armenian women married with Turks were not subject to deportation.

      Then Dyundar writes, "The adoption of Islam by Armenian families,
      saying nothing of town quarters and villages, was impossible. The
      Armenians could save their lives only among rebel Kurds who mainly
      settled in Dersim and Sincar. Therefore, all the Armenians could not
      turn into Alavis, as the Passport Department registered the nationality
      of all villages. In other words, citizens of Armenian villages saw no
      reason of pretending to be Alavis, as that would not save them from
      deportation. This means that ascribing Armenian origin to Alavi Kurds
      and increasing the number of converted Armenians up to 100 thousand
      has nothing in common with science".

      "At present there are certain circles in Turkey, which are far
      more reactionary than Ittihatists, although they call themselves
      Neo-Ittihatists," continues Dyundar.

      In order the reduce the number of Kurdish population of Turkey,
      the authorities are trying to represent certain parts of them as
      ethnic Armenians or Jews. At the same time they are trying to deny
      the Genocide, saying that the "massacred" Armenians in fact turned
      into Alavis.

      Dyunbdar also refuses to believe that Halacoglu indeed has the lists
      of Armenian "donme's". He thinks that Halacoglu, who has dedicated all
      his life to the denial of the Armenian Genocide, would have long ago
      published those lists and translated them into all known languages,
      if he only had them.

      One could think that Dyundar's conclusions explain everything. But
      the so-called lists of "donme" Armenians were made in 1936-1937 and
      their discovery after 70 years must have some reasons.

      Let us not forget that although Erdogan's Ilsamist "Justice and
      Prosperity" party has not deprived yet the Turkish elite of its
      privileges, but has laid background for raising the question of certain
      "donme's", converted Jews from Salonikae, who make the major mart of
      that elite.

      On August 29 "El Aziz" newspaper published an article, which
      illustrated all the agiotage about Halacoglu's statements from the
      aspect of the Jewish elite of Turkey. That is a remarkable article
      and should be referred to in another publication.
      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

      Comment


      • #33
        turkey saved Britain from Spanish invasion!

        From The Daily Mail

        Why race chief wants to sink our role in the Armada
        by JAMES SLACK - More by this author » Last updated at 23:34pm on 25th September 2007


        Had Sir Francis Drake but known it, he could have squeezed in several extra games of bowls before sailing out to destroy the Spanish Armada.

        According to equality chief Trevor Phillips, the Turks had the problem well in hand even before Drake insisted on finishing his match on Plymouth Hoe when the invaders were sighted.

        Mr Phillips, who wants the nation's history books rewritten to make them more "inclusive" of other cultures, suggested last night that the role of Ottoman Muslims in 1588 in saving the throne of Queen Elizabeth was part of the "whole story" that often went untold.


        Tide of history: Did the Turks really play a key role in defeating the Armada?

        "When we talk about the Armada, it is only now that we are beginning to realise that part of it is Muslims - actually it was the Turks who saved us because they held the Armada for a few weeks, on the request of Elizabeth I," he told a Labour conference fringe event.

        "Let's rewrite that story, let's use our heritage to rewrite that story so that it is truly inclusive.

        "That's the reason for this: So that we have an identity which brings us together and binds us in the stormy times we're going to have."

        Elizabeth I and Sir Francis Drake: Equality chief Trevor Phillips suggests the role of the Ottoman Muslims in 1588 in saving the throne of Queen Elizabeth was part of the 'whole story' that often goes untold

        The head of the new Commission for Equality and Human Rights said it is not about rewriting what we are, "but sometimes we have to go back into the tapestry and insert some threads that were lost. We may need to revisit some parts of our heritage so we rewrite it to tell the whole story".

        But experts said inflating the importance of minor or irrelevant events in the interests of race relations is confusing to children.


        And it was pointed out that the Royal Navy's account of the defeat of the Armada - carrying 10,000 sailors and 20,000 troops determinedto reverse the Reformation - makes no mention of any help from the Turks. Even the suggestion that the Turks did nothing more than delay the Armada at the written request of Elizabeth is disputed.

        Mr Phillips's view appears to be based on the work of historian Jerry Brotton. He argues that the Armada had been weakened before it even set sail because the Spanish had been forced to keep some ships in the Mediterranean to deal with the troublesome Turkish navy.

        But Dr Simon Adams, co-author of England, Spain and the Grand Armada, said the Ottomans were not threatening Spain in the Mediterranean.

        He said: "The letter had been sent in 1584 or 1585 and although England might have hoped the Turks would cause the Spanish problems, nothing really happened.

        "The Turks were not really doing anything (against Spain) in 1588. They were busy in the Near East."

        Dr Adams said the Armada failed because it was poorly planned and the English had an effective Navy helped by favourable weather.

        The Civitas think-tank, which has republished the authoritative history Our Island Story by Henrietta Elizabeth Marshall, said the claim is "fantasy".

        Robert Whelan, of Civitas, said: "Before we start weaving in stories about the Turks and the Armada, dreamt up by people with their own agenda, we should first ensure we get the basics right."

        Comment


        • #34
          19. The Turkish diplomatic corps is very mature. Way to go!

          TURKISH DIPLOMAT ADVISES ARMENIA TO APPLY FOR NATO MEMBERSHIP

          ArmRadio - Public Radio, Armenia
          Oct 3 2007

          The Turkish diplomat sharply reacted to the speech of the
          representative of the NATO Information Center in Armenia at the
          international conference held in Moldova, Mediamax reports.

          October 2nd in Kishinev Deputy Director of the NATO Information
          Center in Armenia David Alaverdyan participated in the international
          conference titled "NATO's Values and an Alliance of Solidarity,"
          presenting a report on "Armenia's relations with NATO: Reality and
          Perspectives."

          Reference to the absence of Armenian-Turkish relations in the report
          met the sharp resistance of Turkey's Vice-Ambassador to Moldova Hakan
          Ozdemir, who declared that it's not a proper place for discussion of
          such issues and left the conference.

          However, in his report David Alaverdyan simply stated that the absence
          of diplomatic relations between Ankara and Yerevan hinders the full
          development of Armenia's relations with NATO.

          "During the recent years the Armenian authorities have been repeatedly
          telling the representatives of the Alliance that the Armenian-Turkish
          relations are one of the main obstacles for the further deepening of
          Armenia-NATO relations," David Alaverdyan said.

          He noted that "more than 15 years have passed after the collapse
          of eth Soviet Union, but the Armenian-Turkish border remains an
          "iron curtain."

          In response to that Hakan Ozdemir declared that "Armenian-Turkish
          relations are not discussed here, and if Armenia wishes to develop
          relations with NATO, let it apply for membership, meet all the
          commitments and join the Alliance." After a while the Vice-Ambassador
          of Turkey left the conference, not waiting for the start of the
          discussions envisaged by the agenda.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

          Comment


          • #35
            The Turks have decided on "their side of the story" and are sticking to it...

            So the resolution is going to upset the Muslim-world. It's really cheap of him to say that, but you know what - he could be right.


            Senseless of Congress
            Ali H. Aslan

            Alo Gari was a strong old woman. That's why she was referred to by a man's name. She lived in Germili, a village near Elaziz (now Elazığ). When they came to forcibly deport Armenian residents of this mixed Muslim-Christian village, she hid a small child. Unfortunately that child's parents never came back. He was raised by Alo Gari along with her beloved grandson, Ali, who lost his father when he was very young. How do I know this? Because Ali was my grandfather.

            Amid all the tragedies, there are many humane stories to tell from one of the darkest chapters of in the history of Anatolia. I'm sure there were Armenians who made similar gestures for their Muslim Turkish and Kurdish neighbors terrorized by Christian rebellions. Is it possible to understand those times from only one angle? Of course not. But that's exactly what the US Congress is trying to do today.

            Look at the infamous "Armenian genocide" resolution (H. Res. 106), for which there will be a markup at the House Foreign Affairs Committee next Wednesday. Does it reveal anything about the sufferings of Muslims? Does it tell of Turks and Kurds helping Christian Armenians? Does it talk about the extraordinary war conditions that lead to the deportation and eventual crimes against humanity? No. It only offers a one-sided, emotional and unscientific description of the events of 1915. It's not only a nonsense attempt at writing history by politicians, but also a distorted production of the story.

            I understand the grievances of Armenian Americans. I know how they feel about losing some of their ancestors and having to leave their homeland. I can see the deep feeling of injustice. However, does one injustice justify another? Is it fair to conceal a long history of peaceful, harmonious coexistence and reduce all Turkish-Armenian history to just 1915? And is it fair for the US Congress to pick sides in a civil war that took place almost a century ago?

            At least 226 members in the house think so, and I'm sure even more will join them if and when this resolution comes to the floor for a vote. Why is that? A considerable part of the reason is the Armenian ability to influence and convince their fellow Christians. The United States is a Christian-dominant nation and Americans have always been interested in the plight of fellow Christian men and women all over the world. This resolution will reflect the sense of Congress, that is, the sense of the American people.

            American rulers always say they are not at war with Muslims or Islam. But actions on the ground often prove the opposite. It was a small radical group of Muslims who attacked the US on Sept. 11, 2001, but a worldwide and widespread revenge mechanism was put into effect. Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq are the most obvious end results. The post-Sept. 11 mood makes it politically correct to portray Muslims as monsters. Therefore there couldn't be a better time for a congressional resolution which does just that for Turkish Muslims. Why am I not surprised? Most US rulers do not give a damn what 1.5 billion Muslims might feel about their policies, so why should Congress care about 70 million Turks?

            It's important for Republican leaders to show muscle against Muslims so that they can garner "patriotic" votes and funds. Likewise, it's useful for Democrats to secure Armenian American support for their political campaigns. Don't tell me this is only an innocent acknowledgement for a "forgotten genocide" and a tribute to its victims. Don't tell me this is a matter of principle. Had the US Congress acted with principle, they would have pursued a more balanced path, or at least shown a little interest or sympathy for hundreds and thousands of innocent Muslim losses as well. In fact most other Western parliaments have chosen the same path. Perhaps it is too much to expect fairness from the offspring of colonialists who provoked fine Armenian citizens against the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps one should talk more about American, British, French and Russian interests before and during World War I in trying to divide and rule Turkish lands.

            In Turkey and many other parts of the Muslim world, this one-sided US Congress resolution on the events of 1915 will only be seen as a continuation of the colonialist mantra. It will be viewed as a sign of the never-ending vengeful attitude against Muslim inhabitants of formerly Christian lands. It will be seen as one other Crusade-like solidarity action. Does that make any sense when US is trying to give just the opposite image? No. This cannot be about the "sense of Congress" then; rather, it is the "senselessness of Congress."

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by chinchilla View Post
              The Turks have decided on "their side of the story" and are sticking to it...

              So the resolution is going to upset the Muslim-world. It's really cheap of him to say that, but you know what - he could be right.


              Senseless of Congress
              Ali H. Aslan

              Alo Gari was a strong old woman. That's why she was referred to by a man's name. She lived in Germili, a village near Elaziz (now Elaz??). When they came to forcibly deport Armenian residents of this mixed Muslim-Christian village, she hid a small child. Unfortunately that child's parents never came back. He was raised by Alo Gari along with her beloved grandson, Ali, who lost his father when he was very young. How do I know this? Because Ali was my grandfather.

              Amid all the tragedies, there are many humane stories to tell from one of the darkest chapters of in the history of Anatolia. I'm sure there were Armenians who made similar gestures for their Muslim Turkish and Kurdish neighbors terrorized by Christian rebellions. Is it possible to understand those times from only one angle? Of course not. But that's exactly what the US Congress is trying to do today.

              Look at the infamous "Armenian genocide" resolution (H. Res. 106), for which there will be a markup at the House Foreign Affairs Committee next Wednesday. Does it reveal anything about the sufferings of Muslims? Does it tell of Turks and Kurds helping Christian Armenians? Does it talk about the extraordinary war conditions that lead to the deportation and eventual crimes against humanity? No. It only offers a one-sided, emotional and unscientific description of the events of 1915. It's not only a nonsense attempt at writing history by politicians, but also a distorted production of the story.

              I understand the grievances of Armenian Americans. I know how they feel about losing some of their ancestors and having to leave their homeland. I can see the deep feeling of injustice. However, does one injustice justify another? Is it fair to conceal a long history of peaceful, harmonious coexistence and reduce all Turkish-Armenian history to just 1915? And is it fair for the US Congress to pick sides in a civil war that took place almost a century ago?

              At least 226 members in the house think so, and I'm sure even more will join them if and when this resolution comes to the floor for a vote. Why is that? A considerable part of the reason is the Armenian ability to influence and convince their fellow Christians. The United States is a Christian-dominant nation and Americans have always been interested in the plight of fellow Christian men and women all over the world. This resolution will reflect the sense of Congress, that is, the sense of the American people.

              American rulers always say they are not at war with Muslims or Islam. But actions on the ground often prove the opposite. It was a small radical group of Muslims who attacked the US on Sept. 11, 2001, but a worldwide and widespread revenge mechanism was put into effect. Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq are the most obvious end results. The post-Sept. 11 mood makes it politically correct to portray Muslims as monsters. Therefore there couldn't be a better time for a congressional resolution which does just that for Turkish Muslims. Why am I not surprised? Most US rulers do not give a damn what 1.5 billion Muslims might feel about their policies, so why should Congress care about 70 million Turks?

              It's important for Republican leaders to show muscle against Muslims so that they can garner "patriotic" votes and funds. Likewise, it's useful for Democrats to secure Armenian American support for their political campaigns. Don't tell me this is only an innocent acknowledgement for a "forgotten genocide" and a tribute to its victims. Don't tell me this is a matter of principle. Had the US Congress acted with principle, they would have pursued a more balanced path, or at least shown a little interest or sympathy for hundreds and thousands of innocent Muslim losses as well. In fact most other Western parliaments have chosen the same path. Perhaps it is too much to expect fairness from the offspring of colonialists who provoked fine Armenian citizens against the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps one should talk more about American, British, French and Russian interests before and during World War I in trying to divide and rule Turkish lands.

              In Turkey and many other parts of the Muslim world, this one-sided US Congress resolution on the events of 1915 will only be seen as a continuation of the colonialist mantra. It will be viewed as a sign of the never-ending vengeful attitude against Muslim inhabitants of formerly Christian lands. It will be seen as one other Crusade-like solidarity action. Does that make any sense when US is trying to give just the opposite image? No. This cannot be about the "sense of Congress" then; rather, it is the "senselessness of Congress."

              http://www.todayszaman.com/
              Here is another editorial along the same lines:


              Nancy Pelosi's dilemma

              Friday, October 5, 2007

              Semih ?D?Z


              The endgame may be near as far as the Armenian genocide resolution affair in the United States Congress is concerned. Press reports suggest that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will find Resolution 106 on her desk next week.

              Most analysts believe that Pelosi, an avid supporter of the Armenian cause, will have no qualms in sending the resolution to the floor to be voted on. With a majority of representatives in favor of the resolution, many assume that it will pass this time.

              This will, of course, happen against the backdrop of a petition by no less than eight former U.S. Secretaries of State, all of who are still household names, to Pelosi to do the wise thing and consider U.S. interests first.

              The current Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has also petitioned the House Speaker along the same lines.

              The bottom line for former Secretaries of State Madeleine K. Albright, James A. Baker III, Warren Christopher, Lawrence S. Eagleburger, Alexander M. Haig, Jr, Henry A. Kissinger, Colin L. Powell and George P. Shultz is that a passage of this resolution could quickly extend beyond symbolic significance.

              “The result could endanger our national security interests in the region, including our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and damage efforts to promote reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey” they said in their letter, going on to “strongly urge [Pelosi] to prevent the resolution from reaching the House floor.”

              The signatories to the petition are, of course, putting their country's interests first, and not Turkey's, contrary to what the Armenian side is trying to suggest. It is at any rate ridiculous to even think that Turkey can “buy off” such eminent people, as some Armenian commentators are indicating.

              The Wall Street Journal – which is not in a position to be “bought-off” by Turkey either – has also lent its voice here with a strong commentary on the subject (“Political History” - Oct 2):

              “As a general rule, legislatures in far-off countries ought to think carefully before passing judgment on another people's history. When their sights turn in that direction, it's a fair bet that points are to be scored with powerful domestic lobbies.”



              The WSJ continued thus:

              “The sponsor (of non-binding Resolution 106 - S.I.) is Adam Schiff, a Democrat from California's 29th District, which has a lot of Armenian-American voters. His consistent championship of the genocide cause helped him first get elected in 2000 and later made his ‘name in foreign affairs,' as the Los Angeles Times put it in 2005.

              “This congressional freelancing puts a strain on America's relationship with an important Muslim ally in a tough neighborhood. If the Resolution passes, the backlash in Turkey will likely be more than symbolic.”

              The former Secretaries of State and the WSJ are right. If the resolution passes, the backlash in Turkey will most likely be “more than symbolic.” And it will be so for the same reason that is motivating Adam Schiff, judging by what the WSJ says.

              In other words, no politician in Turkey that values his or her career will be able to say or do anything that appears even remotely to favor U.S. interests after such a resolution. Anyone doing so will become an instant political pariah.

              Neither will any Turkish government be able to even consider lending an ear to influential Turkish liberals who sincerely believe that relations with Armenia should be normalized, including the opening of the border between the two countries and the exchange of diplomats.

              If Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian believes Ankara is amenable to being browbeaten with such resolutions into normalizing relations with his country, then he has not understood much about Turkey.

              If Resolution 106 passes, no government in Turkey can do this because it will appear to represent a “caving into American and Armenian pressure,” which will bring with it a stigma that no politician in this country can afford to carry.

              No doubt Pelosi feels the burden of all this. No doubt either that her husband Paul Pelosi, who was in Istanbul last week, also conveyed the strong feelings among Turks concerning this issue when he got back to Washington (even though he is reported as telling his Turkish interlocutors that “they never discuss politics at home”).

              The reason why the Armenian lobby is working overtime is, of course, apparent. If this resolution cannot be passed now, when the Congress is pro-Armenian and anti-Turkish as it has never been before, then it will never pass.

              This is also Nancy Pelosi's dilemma. Should she serve her country's interests, or the interests of an ethnic group that she has committed herself to for so long, and to which she is no doubt indebted politically?

              The bottom line here is that events of a century ago - around which a controversy still prevails - have become part of the current political discourse, rather than remaining in the historical domain where they should be discussed.

              Armenia and the Armenian lobby are clearly driven by political motivations and are using history for this purpose. But this is not the way to go about “drawing lessons from history in order to prevent new genocides,” as supporters of 106 believe naively will happen.

              Had the Armenian resolution passed 20 years ago would it have prevented Bosnia, Rwanda and Darfur? Preventing such genocidal events need political will, and a genuine desire to act by politicians of the day.

              History not only tells us that genocides have occurred, but also highlights the inaction of politicians of the day as they were occurring. Put another way, if the political will does not exist then Resolution 106 will hardly save the people of Darfur. All it will do is permanently scar Turkish-U.S. ties.

              Armenian-Americans would no doubt be more than happy to see this happening. How about the rest?

              Turkish Daily News: Explore the latest Turkish news, including Turkey news, politics, political updates, and current affairs. Israel: Hamas Intelligence Deputy Head Shadi Barud Killed - 21:10
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

              Comment


              • #37
                MY RESPONSE TO TURKEY AND THE TURKS- Regarding "Reconciliation"

                The Armenian priority with Turkey/Turk is not RECONCILIATION. We are not going to hold their hands and come up with a cheap and cynical quid pro quo in order not to hurt their fragile pride. We are not going to for a cirlce and sing "We are the World", we are not going to forgive those who refuse to apologize and continually blame the victim.


                a) Few Armenians I know have ever denied Turkish suffering. At the same time we all are very aware that the suffering that occured was their own governments insistence on entering a disastorous war they had no business fighting in the first place and did not have to and susequently led to the final destruction of their crumbling empire...the one that they so obviously wish they still had to this day.

                b) Only a "SMALL PART"of that suffering (in Eastern Anatolia) may be ascribed to Armenians, and mostly in late 1916-1917 when some Armenians and Assyrians took some revenge on the people that destoryed their families en masse- "whereas the WHOLE "of the Armenian suffering is the work not only of the CUP but also a pretty large part of the Turkish population with various degrees of implication and (in conjunction with the CUP of course).

                c)How ethical is it to consider that the ARMENIAN recognition of Turkish suffering is a prerequisite for a reconciliation, but the TURKISH recognition of the crimes committed in 1895-6, in 1915-6, and in the early 1920s and which are continuing to this day under other forms IS NOT a prerequisite for reconciliation?

                d) Turks never write that TRUTH and "an APOLOGY" should come first, and RECONCILIATION would follow as a logical consequence. They want the issue to just vanish, like they tried to make Christians vanish in Asia Minor.

                e) If you have a daughter or a grand-daughter and she is raped, how would you feel, how*would SHE*feel if we told her that as a prerequisite to a reconciliation with her rapist's family she must recognize the childhood suffering of the guy who raped her? Would you ask Korean "comfort women", of all people, to recognize Japanese suffering as a prerequisite to a reconciliation with denialist Japan? Or would you suggest Japan faces its history and apologizes to its wartime victims first - not for the sake of reconciliation, but because this is how human beings should behave ? Do you think that Korean women, e.g., are obsessed with RECONCILIATION, or do they need a bit of justice and a bit of respect, a "Sorry", say?

                To those who toe the State Department line:


                Do you remember the reports about*the Bosnian women who were repeatedly raped by dozens of Serb "men" (if you can*them "men") until they got pregnant? Pregnancies as war-weapons...Then the (Christian !!!) Serb paramilitary would tell them "Now go and deliver a Serb child". Incidentally, the rapists identified the children to be born as their offspring, but they used the future babies to defile the Bosnian blood and humilate them... Now do you remember WHO dared to tell these unfortunate Muslim women not to have an abortion ? Pope John-Paul II. Not only a Catholic, but someone who was not likely to ever get raped by 50 barbarians in a row, nor to become pregnant as a consequence. Wasn't his "advice" obscene and absolutely revolting? Now how would one feel if some Serb personality rose and told these women's children to stop using the words "gang rape" or if some South-African or Argentinian asked them to recognize the suffering of the Serbs as a prerequisite to this or that? Don't you think that the ONLY people entitled to suggest forgiveness, for example, could be fellow Bosnian women?

                Furthermore, it seems to be assumed by Europeans and North Americans that it is the Armenian mission to "effect some change in Turkey" "the support the Turkish liberals" "to help the Turks change and alleviate their worries" "to assist them towards a more democratic society"


                And Turkish-Armenians three bullets for her pain, like Hrant Dink.

                Why should be obliged to help Turkey in any way? Why should we be the ones to encourage them to act in certain ways when they should already have the decency to do it themselves?

                What we have is this strange theory that it is the Armenians' responsibility not only to work at RECONCILIATION with Turkey but also at the democratization of Turkey (and the education of the Turkish masses), and that conversely it is their fault if fascism develops in Turkey.
                "Go to Turkey, speak to people there, tell them about what happened to your families", was recently suggested by the leader of ACORT, a Paris-based assembly of Turkish associations, while addressing an Armenian crowd after a conference. Umit, that's his name, seemed to be a really nice and sincere guy, no doubt a democrat who would like to do something for his country, and who got emotional as he spoke. But how many of us are not scared? I for one cannot picture myself visiting Turkey, let alone telling people in streets and restaurants about the way part of my*family "vanished" in 1915, and another part which had survived 1915 was killed by Mustafa Kemal's gendarmes. Just guess how it feels, after that, to be called a "Kemalist Armenian" by " a Turkish friend". Next we'll be called "Hamidist Armenians" and then "Talaatist Armenians". Second,isn't it totally tactless to ask the heirs of the killed to teach history and democracy to the descendants of the murderers (in the case of people over 70 or 80,some of them*may be directly the sons and daughters of the criminals)? Can't the US, the Germans, the Swedes, the Italians etc show Turkey that democracy is nicer, if Turkey needs help to understand it? By the way, it is not very flattering for the Turkish nation to*claim that it is the only one which cannot get rid of fascism by itself, as Portugal, Spain and others did...

                In any case, all this is beyond my understanding, and I don't know many people ( unfortunately they exist, though) who would dare ask an African, a Carribean or an Algerian - since they are often mentioned - to FIRST recognize the suffering of the French colonists (and God knows that some of them went through horrors ).
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

                Comment


                • #38
                  I believe confederacy of morons is not only restricted to Turks,to not accept The Genocide for what it is actually a covert way of being one sided on this issue under the guise of appearing neutral!
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Megalommatis: The king of Turkish Conspiracy theories

                    Lessons to be learned:

                    1. Remember, any problems encountered by Turks/Turkey are always someone elses fault.

                    2. Every organization/country/media outlet is against Turks/Turkey




                    Turkey, Kurds, Anglo-French Freemasonry, Islam, and Orientalism

                    Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis


                    Orientalist, Historian, Political Scientist, Dr. Megalommatis, 51, is the author of 12 books, dozens of scholarly articles, hundreds of encyclopedia entries, and thousands of articles. He speaks, reads and writes more than 15, modern and ancient, languages. He refuted Greek nationalism, supported Martin Bernal’s Black Athena, and rejected the Greco-Romano-centric version of History. He pleaded for the European History by J. B. Duroselle, and defended the rights of the Turkish, Pomak, Macedonian, Vlachian, Arvanitic, Latin Catholic, and Jewish minorities of Greece. Born Christian Orthodox, he adhered to Islam when 36, devoted to ideas of Muhyieldin Ibn al Arabi.

                    Greek citizen of Turkish origin, Prof. Megalommatis studied and/or worked in Turkey, Greece, France, England, Belgium, Germany, Syria, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Russia, and carried out research trips throughout the Middle East, Northeastern Africa and Central Asia. His career extended from Research & Education, Journalism, Publications, Photography, and Translation to Website Development, Human Rights Advocacy, Marketing, Sales & Brokerage. He traveled in more than 80 countries in 5 continents. He defends the Right of Aramaeans, Oromos, Ogadenis, Sidamas, Berbers, Afars, Anuak, Darfuris, Bejas and Tibetans to National Independence, demands international recognition for Kosovo, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and Transnistria, calls for National Unity in Somalia, and denounces Islamic Terrorism.

                    author's email

                    author's web site

                    view author's other articles

                    Join this author's mailing list

                    Your Name:

                    E-mail Address:


                    Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis
                    December 22, 2007

                    In an earlier article, entitled ‘Turkey, Kurds, France and Freemasonic Eschatology’, we described the so-called ‘Kurdish’ issue as an instrument of the Anglo-French colonialism geared against Turkey (as successor of the Ottoman Empire), and against a multitude of indigenous peoples, who are not Kurds but are depicted as such in order to serve the monstrous goals of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge that controls the Anglo-French establishments, using them for its eschatological purposes.

                    We also referred to a Symposium, organized by the Turkish General Staff Military History Archives and Strategic Studies Institute (ATASE) 12 days ago in Ankara, which focused on "Prevention of Economic and Ideological Support for the PKK/Kongra-Gel", being also an opportunity for Chief of General Staff, Gen. Büyükanit, and Deputy Chief of General Staff, Gen. Ergin Saygun to give key speeches.

                    At a moment of truth, Gen. Saygun referred to

                    1. flowing financial and psychological support (to the terrorists),

                    2. conferences organized (in favor of the terrorists) in the French, British and European parliaments,

                    3. double standard policies pursued by some ‘allied’ countries in the case of Human Rights – Terrorism predicament, and

                    4. operations carried out by PKK terrorists, involving drug trade and human trafficking.

                    Independent Kurdistan: a Crime against many peoples

                    All this helps clarify the intentions and identify the perpetrators; there is indeed a real, vicious, intention to damage Turkey through all possible means, the formation of an independent Kurdistan being just one.

                    For all the different peoples who are criminally regrouped and termed as ‘Kurds’ for the inhuman needs of the criminal Anglo-French elites, an independent Kurdistan would be the worst nightmare in their millennia long History.

                    This bothers not the Freemasonic agents of France and England who use their countries as vehicles for the implementation of plans that would shock average populations in France and England.

                    European public opinion would also be unequivocally shocked if they came to know why human trafficking is necessary to the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge.

                    Freemasonic, Anglo-French, Anti-Turkish Racism, Hatred and Hysteria

                    The Apostate Freemasonic Lodge that generates the Anti-Turkish policies of England and France promotes an entire set of Anti-Turkish targets, involving – except the ‘Kurdistan’ issue –

                    a. International defamation of Turkey through the pseudo-parliamentary, dictatorial imposition of the historical falsehood of a supposed Armenian Genocide,

                    b. Economic, political, religious blockade of Turkey’s adhesion to the European Union,

                    c. Destruction of the Turkish – Israeli and the Turkish – American relationships,

                    d. Unfair and antidemocratic attitude of the international community vis-à-vis the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a fully fledged nation that declared independence from the Christian Orthodox Cyprus before 30 years.

                    e. Negation of the Turkish role in pacifying Iraq, Iran and the Middle East

                    f. Internal religious strives (between Sunnis and Alevis),

                    g. Biased over-reaction against Turkey’s support of Kirkuk’s Turkmens, who have right to an independent state, and against Turkey’s presence in Northern Iraq,

                    h. Problems in the Turkish – Armenian relations,

                    i. Problems in the Turkish – Greek relations that end in the disastrous for both parts disagreement as regards Oil exploitation in the international waters of the Aegean Sea, and

                    j. Racist, biased, Anti-Turkish attitude of the European institutions vis-à-vis the Turkish minorities of Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova and Greece.

                    In the aforementioned, previous article, we also focused on approaches and methods Turkey should envisage and implement to eliminate local problems intelligently exploited by the Anti-Turkish camp.

                    These approaches would eliminate any possible domestic support to the Anglo-French, Anti-Turkish policies pertaining to ‘Kurdistan’; a multicultural Turkish State able to accommodate and integrate various ethno-linguistic and religious backgrounds would not offer ‘internal dynamics’ to possibly support the ‘foreign sources’ of interference. However, this would not imply that the Anti-Turkish policies would cease to exist.

                    A Turkish Policy for the Anti-Turkish Establishments

                    Turks should realize, the sooner the better, that Turkey is in War with France and England, and that this war will never end, as it is a continuation of an Anti-Ottoman effort waged long before Napoleon sailed to Egypt.

                    By the way, one should not forget that the obsessed Freemason First Consul and Emperor had also thought about a land expedition against Istanbul to reunite the lands of the former Eastern Roman Empire, which is a clear indication of how the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge views today the European Union as a revivification of the Roman Empire.

                    This automatically involves plans about an erratic Mediterranean Union, as shamelessly proposed by the French, and an ultimate goal to incorporate lands of the Eastern Mediterranean coast and Jerusalem.

                    One may surmise that if the target is this, Turkey’s annexation to Europe should rather be favored by the Anglo-French establishment, but this approach does take into account the Anglo-French attitude of economically and politically controlling countries that adhere to the EU (as in the case of Poland and the other Eastern European countries). A bought-up Turkey would certainly be most welcome in Europe; the question is why turkey should surrender national suzerainty in the way speechless Portugal and Slovakia did – to their prejudice.

                    There is only one way for Turkey to win this ‘covered’ or secretive war, and this implies a full engagement. This would involve

                    A. A general intellectual, academic, cultural, educational, ideological and political clash,

                    B. A global political confrontation, and

                    C. ‘Covered’ political – military activities.

                    It is important to note that the Ottoman Empire could engage against the Anglo-French in all parts, but finally deployed a weak, late and almost vain effort in part B, allying itself with Austria – Hungary, Germany, and Japan (Italy deserted this camp to join the Anglo-French in 1915).

                    A. Turkey to reunify the Orient against the Anglo-French Conspiracy

                    Part A represents a long-term perspective, which means at least 20 to 50 years. Turkey must realize – and in doing so, it will be the first – that the entire World has been held captive of a ruling force that, above all, diffused a false version of History of the Mankind.

                    Freemasonic Hellenism

                    Through academic systems like Hellenism and Orientalism, the entire History of Europe, Mediterranean, Africa, Middle East, Asia and Africa, has been mischievously systematized in a way to correspond to the colonizing interests and the eschatological commitment of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge. Viewing this series of academic systems today, we can assert that they span over almost four (4) centuries; the Anglo-French Freemasonic establishment created first Hellenism to fallaciously depict European Identity and Past.

                    Freemasonic Orientalism

                    This procedure had advanced when a second, vaster system was launched, Orientalism. Its origins date back in the second half of the 18th century and the first half of the 19th century. Orientalism has been the systematic misrepresentation of the Orient by an entity fallaciously and fictitiously detached from the Orient, namely the Occident.

                    Nothing is falser than the conception of the World History (or even Modern History) as a division between West and East, Occident and Orient. This absolutely Manichaean Freemasonic approach condemned the world into a chaos of fundamental misunderstanding and confusion on which additional layers of misapprehension and mayhem have been added.



                    If Turkey needs to outmaneuver the disastrous, bestial and inhuman of nature, projects of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge in the wider area of the Middle East, Turkey must contribute tremendously to the total destruction and demise of the theoretical divide West vs. East.

                    Freemasonic Arabism

                    A third false system was Arabism, the template out of which the political ideologies of Pan-Arabism and Arab Nationalism emanated. Arabism is the approach to the History of Northern and Eastern Africa, Middle East and Yemen that erroneously and viciously presupposes the existence of a common link (namely the ‘Arab identity’) among the indigenous populations of the vast areas (from Algeria to Egypt and thence to Somalia, and from Syria and Iraq to Yemen and Oman) that are all Ottoman regions.

                    Yet, these populations were and still are very disparate and totally different, namely Khammitic Berberic (in Algeria, Tunisia, Libya – as well as Morocco and Mauritania), Coptic Egyptian, Nilo-Saharan (Nubians and others) and Khammitic Kuxxxxic (in Egypt and the Sudan), Aramaean (in Syria, Lebanon, Israel {we don’t calculate the Jewish Israelis here}, Palestine, Iraq {we don’t calculate ‘Kurds’ and Turkmens here}, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar and the Emirates).

                    Arabism was geared for the following reasons:

                    1. to abnormally detach all these regions and peoples from their natural milieu, he Ottoman Empire,

                    2. to totally destroy any nation-building perspective,

                    3. to successfully avert any chance of elaborating a proper National History,

                    4. to effectively thwart the possibility of achieving a historically correct National Identity

                    5. to definitely cancel any prospect intellectual, cultural, academic, political and social development, as this would rely on nos 2, 3, and 4.

                    6. to irrevocably plunge the local societies in an inevitable social – behavioural, ideological and religious strife among classes attracted by the interfering powers (and their social model) and classes opposing them (and their social model), and

                    7. to utterly condemn indigenous nations, average people and local elites, in a miserable barbarism that evolves around ignorance, mimetism, and an immense complex of inferiority, which ensures either agreement with interfering powers’ orders or failure in any opposition to them.

                    Freemasonic Islamism

                    Following the false systems of Hellenism, Orientalism and Arabism, the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge produced Islamism, a total misconception and misrepresentation of Islam as Civilization, History, Philosophy, and Religion.

                    In the same way Arabism (projected among various populations on whom Arabic was colonially and dictatorially imposed as official language) heralded Pan-Arabism and Arab Nationalism, the Freemasonic Western construction of ‘Islamism’ gave birth to locally made Islamic extremist theo-ideological pseudo-systems that were all made as (premeditated and pre-calculated by the Western Freemasonic academic establishments) reaction (of Muslim students in the West) to the Western Islamism.

                    These systems put the tombstone on the detached provinces of the Ottoman Empire by plunging the quasi-totality of local besotted masses in an unprecedentedly erroneous interpretation of Islam diffused by all the basically ignorant and quasi-analphabetic sheikhs of Mekka, Madina, Cairo, Damascus, Jerusalem, Baghdad, etc.

                    These pre-fabricated (in the Freemasonic ateliers – and without knowing it) sheikhs preach the idiocy that Islam can oppose the West, whereas the only presently existing ‘Islam’ is an absolutely false, Western, Freemasonic byproduct the existence of which goes unsuspected by these ignorant preachers.

                    These miserable pseudo-sheikhs do not even understand what happened to them, and thus fail to realize that there is always a total correspondence between all elements of a civilization – one of which is religion. If a religion is false and execrably low of level, there cannot be a high level civilization next to it. All moments of low civilization and minimal culture, as the present condition of the so-called Arabic speaking countries, automatically imply a disintegrated and false religion. And this is the present false and irreparable Islam of the sheikhs of ignorance, a Freemasonic Islamism projected among them.

                    As a matter of fact, even if Islam existed in its authentic form today, there would not be any reason to reject the quadric-partite Western theoretical construction (Hellenism – Orientalism – Arabism – Islamism) by using Islam as an opposite theoretical system.

                    The reason is this: the Western theoretical construction is far wider than Islam, as it involves Hellenism and Orientalism, thus conceptualizing vast parts of the Antiquity (Rome – Greece – Hittite Anatolia – Egypt – Mesopotamia – Iran – India – Africa – China) about which Islam, even at its top, never composed a systematic interpretational system (or did not have the tools to fully implement its interpretational system).

                    An interpretational system representative of the Afro-Asiatic landmass

                    Turkey needs to eliminate this Western system, and this may be a vast project for which Turkey should cooperate with the Aramaeans and the Copts (as representatives of Eastern Christianity), Parsists (as the real heirs of the Iranian Heritage), Hindu Indians, Tibetan, Sri Lankan and Burmese Buddhists, Russians (as Anti-Western heirs of Orthodox Christianity), Chinese, Thai, Malay, Korean and Japanese erudite scholars and original intellectuals ready to help establish a balanced History of the Mankind without the Anglo-French Freemasonic fallacies.

                    The preponderance of the Afro-Asiatic landmass and its navigable interspaces must be at the epicenter of this great effort of rewriting correctly the Apostate Freemasonry’s fallacious Disciplines of Humanities, and re-asserting Oriental (Afro-Asiatic) languages as basic means of communications (Turkish, Russian, Hindi, Farsi, Berberic, Oromo, Chinese, Malay and Japanese).

                    As effort, the opposition to the false version of the History of the Mankind should cover the entire space targeted by the obscure Freemasonic rulers of the Anglo-French political life.

                    Four Institutes – Think Tanks for Turkey

                    Eleven years ago, speaking at a Conference organized by the Mayor of Istanbul, I suggested the formation of four (4) Institutes – Think Tanks that would be the means by which Turkey would pursue a long perspective program in this regard.

                    1. An Institute of Anatolia

                    Geared to promote multiculturalism and National Identity in Turkey, it would provide scholars specialized in various historical periods of Anatolia to dozens of universities around the world from Brazil to Korea and from Russia to South Africa.

                    2. An Institute of the Middle East

                    Geared to create a great number of disciplines at the antipodes of the biased Western disciplines of Egyptology, Coptology, Assyriology, Hittitology, Iranology, Caucasus Studies, Northwestern Semitic Studies, Yemenite Studies, Meroitic Studies, Khammitic and Berberic Studies, etc., it would provide scholars able to oppose and demolish the fallacious Western Orientalism.

                    These Oriental Orientalists would originate from all possible countries of the Afro-Asiatic landmass, and they would be supported by the Turkish embassies and all the allied countries. Appointed in numerous countries allover the world, they would raise awareness among average people, students and intellectuals, local academia and statesmen against the racist Freemasonic Orientalism.

                    3. An Institute of the Turkic Peoples

                    Geared to become the cradle of a Union of Turkic peoples, it would bring Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia closer to an economic – political union and common currency. Turkey would function like this as the real window to the rest of the world for all the other countries

                    4. An Institute of Islam

                    Geared to reinvent Islam, through eliminating Western academic interference, Wahhabism, Ibn Taimiya’s theological system, and Hanbalism, and to diffuse through secularist sheikhs a new version of Islam throughout the world, it would also function as the world’s foremost academic institution and publishing house with focus on the Islamic Civilization in its true dimensions and aspects, thus publicizing the practice of dance, the use of wine, and the existence of libertine lifestyle in Abbasid Baghdad, and the customary topless dress of African female Muslims, which did not mean either transgression or immorality.

                    Today, I do find Turkey, Russia, China, India and African peoples in greater need to work together on this path, as they are all targeted by the Anglo-French Freemasonic conspiracy, and the confusion spread through the fallacious academic systems of the Anglo-French Freemasonic establishments.

                    In a forthcoming article. I will focus on further Turkish policies needed to outmaneuver the Anti-Turkish strategic plans of the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge.

                    Turkey needs to shape an international alliance to outmaneuver the Paris-London Axis, preparing for a global political confrontation, and last but not least Ankara should become reciprocal and through ‘covered’ political – military activities inflame France and England where various nations have been oppressed worse than the so-called Kurds in Turkey.

                    Note

                    My speech in the aforementioned Istanbul November 1996 Conference can be found here: http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/detay.php?id=16542 and http://urun.gittigidiyor.com/DOGUDAN...0QQidZZ2023359. The cover page of the volume appears in the picture.
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Hilarious!!!! Please Read



                      Turkey vs. France: a Clash – Part of the Freemasonic Plan for Europe

                      Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis


                      Orientalist, Historian, Political Scientist, Dr. Megalommatis, 51, is the author of 12 books, dozens of scholarly articles, hundreds of encyclopedia entries, and thousands of articles. He speaks, reads and writes more than 15, modern and ancient, languages. He refuted Greek nationalism, supported Martin Bernal’s Black Athena, and rejected the Greco-Romano-centric version of History. He pleaded for the European History by J. B. Duroselle, and defended the rights of the Turkish, Pomak, Macedonian, Vlachian, Arvanitic, Latin Catholic, and Jewish minorities of Greece. Born Christian Orthodox, he adhered to Islam when 36, devoted to ideas of Muhyieldin Ibn al Arabi.

                      Greek citizen of Turkish origin, Prof. Megalommatis studied and/or worked in Turkey, Greece, France, England, Belgium, Germany, Syria, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Russia, and carried out research trips throughout the Middle East, Northeastern Africa and Central Asia. His career extended from Research & Education, Journalism, Publications, Photography, and Translation to Website Development, Human Rights Advocacy, Marketing, Sales & Brokerage. He traveled in more than 80 countries in 5 continents. He defends the Right of Aramaeans, Oromos, Ogadenis, Sidamas, Berbers, Afars, Anuak, Darfuris, Bejas and Tibetans to National Independence, demands international recognition for Kosovo, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and Transnistria, calls for National Unity in Somalia, and denounces Islamic Terrorism.

                      author's email

                      author's web site

                      view author's other articles

                      Join this author's mailing list

                      Your Name:

                      E-mail Address:


                      Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis
                      December 27, 2007

                      It was about time for someone to cross Rubicon in… Turkey; for several years, the country faced an undeclared multi-frontal war without anybody denouncing – utterly and categorically –, protesting and reacting against Turkey’s real, empathetic, and hysterical enemy: France.

                      Both, the military establishment and the political authorities (in the government and the opposition), have undeservedly stuck to a wooden language, as well as to diplomatic and indirect accusations, as if the undeclared war against Turkey would end because of their disregard of it!

                      Turkish Laxity toward France to end

                      Yet, it is well documented throughout History that longer you ignore an adversary pursuing an undeclared war, longer he will stick to his destructive policies. It is basics in Diplomatic History that more you disregard your opponents’ efforts, more convinced they will be about the effectiveness of their inimical endeavors.

                      Turkish laxity can be understood for the military establishment, as by overtly reacting, they would trigger unreasonable and ridiculous, though destructive, comments about Turkish army’s interference in the politics.

                      Turkish governmental negligence is due to the fact that the former Foreign Minister and incumbent President is a Freemason, initiated in a fake lodge – dependency of the Apostate Anglo-French Freemasonic Lodge – in London, has got the English ‘friendly', I am sorry 'brotherly', 'advice’ not to attack the Anti-Turkish French establishment “because British diplomacy is in favour of Turkey’s adhesion to EU” (and they would manage to calm the French down in the long run).

                      What cannot be excused is the carelessness and the inaptitude of the Turkish political parties of the opposition that do not understand how useful a Turkish straight attack against France and its political establishment would be for Turkey at the national level, and for them at the political level.

                      European Foreign Ministers’ Duplicity

                      However, it is only a wonderful surprise to see TÜSIAD, the Turkish Industrialists’ and Businessmen's Association, lead Turkey to a badly needed confrontation that should become Turkey’s primary national target. It was due to the formulation endorsed – under strong French pressure – by the EU foreign ministers in a statement of EU enlargement.

                      As Zaman reported, “the role played by France in the making of the statement sparked harsh reaction from leading representatives of the Turkish business” (http://www.todayszaman.com/tzweb/det...ay&link=129222).

                      As a matter of fact, on Monday, December 10, a statement issued by the EU foreign ministers omitted the words "accession" or "membership" in connection with Turkey. This, said at a time negotiations advance between Ankara and Brussels, bears witness to European duplicity, hypocrisy and conspiracy against Turkey. The term used for the cases of Turkey and Croatia was "intergovernmental conferences", which is an aberration and comedy. As it became known, it was France, and not the ridiculous nationalist ‘president’ of South Cyprus, that rejected any mention to "accession conferences", as an additional proof of the French Anti-Turkish empathy.

                      Turkish Businessmen react: “A democracy against another democracy”

                      On Tuesday, December 13, the Turkish Industrialists’ and Businessmen's Association (TÜSIAD) issued a statement in which, among other points, the following was stressed: "The illegal resistance shown by a democracy against another democracy -- which could be considered as pathological in this direction -- is in contradiction with idealism, which is a basis for European integration and sets a block in front of development of natural relations between the two countries". This was an ostensible reference to the French efforts involved in the generation of the EU statement.

                      TÜSIAD statement underscored the Turkish Private Sector’s assessment that it was not possible to understand efforts by France, which is expected to take the rotating EU presidency in the second half of 2008, and then block off roads to EU membership for Turkey.

                      The governmental reaction was more diplomatic; in a statement released by Foreign Ministry spokesperson Levent Bilman hours after the EU statement's release, France was not named, even indirectly, and the blame was put on "the stance of one member country [which] cannot be met with understanding". Levent Bilman commented that "even though the declaration confirms Turkey's full membership objective ... the fact that this was referred to in an indirect way has led to serious displeasure", adding that Turkey welcomes efforts of support deployed by "other member countries that form the majority within the EU".

                      Haluk Kabaalioðlu, Director of the Economic Development Foundation (IKV), an NGO representing the Turkish private sector's interests regarding the EU, commenting on the statement, said that "the omitting of the word accession is far from seriousness and is an approach in violation of the principle of pacta sunt servanda, which is one of the basic values of the EU".

                      Anglo-French Freemasonic Target: Turkey aligned with Russia against Europe

                      As it is known, France advocates a special partnership with Turkey instead of full EU membership; what is not known is why the French pursue this policy. The explanation is simple.

                      Turkey will never accept any sort of special partnership because this would simply consist in explicitly racist and unfair treatment, and at the same time it would be a national humiliation, following many decades of rapprochement and goals supposedly set for a final adhesion. In view of Turkey’s European identity and Turkey’s outperformance of several Balkan member countries (Bulgaria and Romania), a possible rejection of Turkey’s adhesion can be justified only through divergence at the level of legislation and the political life. With Turkey readjusting its economy and legislation, any European pretext will simply be a point of Anti-Turkish duplicity and mendacity.



                      With Turkey rejecting special partnership, the ridiculous pseudo-concept of a fake Mediterranean Union or any other type of association, and with the expected and methodically triggered deterioration of the Euro-Russian relationship, the way will be cleared for a great Turco-Russian alliance against Europe and Israel.

                      The Apostate Freemasonic Lodge that totally controls and guides the English and French establishments wants to mount precisely this sort of confrontation for inner developments in Europe.

                      First, they have to confront - in Europe and the world – the very opposite plans of Vatican that pursues completely different goals in Europe and the world, particularly the Middle East and Jerusalem.

                      Second, the present situation in Europe does not correspond to an ideal situation for the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge that cannot set its policies and tactics within the current context.

                      A major Euro-Oriental confrontation, with Russia and Turkey aligned (which means Islamic – Christian Orthodox alliance) and in control of Europe’s Muslims, would generate precisely the targeted, final Europe – Roman Empire reinstated. It will not come easily, and it will be the byproduct of an extraordinary ordeal, clash, and confrontations in Europe.

                      However, the Anglo-French Freemasonic elites believe that they will finally manage to survive and exterminate a revolutionary Muslim ruler who would call for Europe’s ultimate Islamization, and would be used against their traditional opponent, Vatican in order to exterminate Roman Papacy.

                      The European leader, who would call for European resistance, basically on non Christian but rather Ancient Greek and Roman terms, would be helped tremendously by the Apostate Freemasonic Lodge in order to impose a paranoiac and anti-democratic regime whereby the homosexual practices of Ancient Athens would be generalized, and life would be totally controlled in an inhuman way.

                      What Turkey’s reaction should be?

                      It is high time for Turkey’s establishment, financial, military, academic, intellectual and political, to understand that the only way to prevent a war is … a war; another war.

                      In the light of such bias, Turkey must understand that the hysteria of some Europeans to a large scale Turkish invasion of Iraq, the paranoia of the parliamentary votes for the fallacious story of the Armenian Genocide, the creation of the ‘Kurdish’ problem, Europe’s anti-Albanian and anti-Islamic stance in Kosova, Europe’s unfair stance as regards the various Turkish minorities in Romania, Moldova, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria, and above all the perfidious English opposition to a formal independence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, are all parts of the same conspiracy.

                      To stop France’s anti-Turkish stance, Turkey must realize that France will cease its incessant hostility, only if gravely attacked and severely wounded on its own territory.

                      If France is involved in Kurdistan, Turkey must fuel mayhem in Corsica to lead Corsicans to Final Secession from France and Independence.

                      If France is involved in the Armenian Genocide myth fabrication and propagation, Turkey must provoke a mobilization of France’s Basks and Catalans against the racist French state.

                      If France rejects Turkey’s adhesion to the EU, Turkey must reinvigorate Breton nationalism and Gaelic anti-Frankism to plunge France in a civil war without end.

                      If France pursues in the Middle East and Northern Africa policies that are in conflict with Turkey’s interests, Turkey must stimulate a rebellion in “French” Polynesia – in close alliance with Australia and New Zealand.

                      If France opposes Turkish interests in the Balkans, French embassies, consulates, institutes and companies must become targets for local people, in Algeria, in Sudan, in Pakistan, in Yemen, in Uzbekistan, and elsewhere; they must be attacked and closed down.

                      If France insists on its colonial policy, without consenting to solemnly reject it, apologize, and pay due recompense, Turkey must instigate the oppressed Occitans of France to uprising.

                      The aforementioned is just an indicative note; in a forthcoming article, we will expand on the measures Turkey has to take against France – leaving always religion out of politics.

                      Any use of Islam in a confrontation with the Anglo-French regimes is pre-calculated and premeditated by these establishments, and can work to their profit only. Adding to the already advanced radicalism, any use of Islam in a confrontation with the West would push developments to the direction the Anglo-French Freemasonic elites have prescheduled and definitely and passionately want. It is essential for Turkey, while keeping good relations and cooperating with Russia, to avoid a Euro-Oriental confrontation, which is a planned project.

                      The damage of France and England must be inner, internal, and the crimes perpetrated by the ignominious Apostate Freemasonic establishment against the oppressed nations of the Irish, the Scots, the Welch, the Bretons, the Occitans, the Corsicans, the Basks, the Catalans, and the Alsatians must come to surface and be met with Justice. Without giving the Anglo-French establishment the opportunity to consider the strife as external, and turn it to a Euro-Islamic or Euro-Oriental war.

                      Note

                      Picture: The 4th Crusade and the Fall of Constantinople to the Barbaric Frankish soldiers; today's Turks must read and read and read the History of the Eastern Roman Empire, if they want to correctly understand the Satanic nature of France.
                      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X