Religion and the Armenian Genocide

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...and I believe in the Invisible Pink Pony....really now. I really believe that you should think hard about these rather outlandish beliefs of yours - some being "outside of space and time" (I mean why aren't there groups of these beings? And who is to say if they like baseball or crickett? etc I mean really now - we are supposing quite a lot...based on? I don't know - a little birdy whispered it in your ear - I don't know really? Some sheep herder with a lot of time on his hands a few milenia ago came accross some jimson weed and sucked on it for awhile? I mean these are pretty perposterous claims you are making (and that all other religious people make) - WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. Yeah - I think that you are loony - diseased - sick - you should get treatment -who knows what the voices will tell you next - definate potential menace to society...

[Nick_A]

Additionally please equate for me the disparity between this "infinite and perfect good" and the realities of the Armenian Genocide. Enough said. Dream on....but I can only pity you.

As I said the Armenian Genocide is a perfect example of an unnatural abomination that makes no objective sense. In a higher conscious level of existence, the artificial pride and vanity necessary to participate in such destruction is impossible simply because it is imaginary. Imagination cannot exist where consciousness is present and such consciousness of life, its meaning and purpose denies this imagination of self justification that fuels a holocaust.

If Man were more conscious, then there wouldn't be holocausts but since we are as we are, life is as it is.

the budding soul needs to "feel" somthing of more value then the result of terror. It seks to commune with something higher, a greater good. If true, you as of yet do not feel this.

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You simply do not understand.

Stop telling me that since I don't share you unprovable mental dilusions I don't understand. I understand very well - much more then you. You are like the heroin addict telling the person who is trying to get him off of the drug that this person just doesn't understand....so who understands eh?

Simone didn't hide. She lived her philosophy. Even though her family had money, she knew that her philosophy would only be of value if she lived it. This is why she voluntarily put herself within the presence of those with the most suffering and help as she could. It was precisely her direct knowledge of factory work that she voluntarily indulged in, that she was able to see the essential flaw in Communism.

Marx had said that "religion was the opiate of the masses to which she retorted that "revolution was the opiate of the masses." This of course means that without help from above, there can ever be any real change. Revolutions will eventually settle out into the same circumstance as those that caused the revolution accept with different people in power.

Can't argue against religion by beating on another religion (communism). And of course certain Christians will tell the downtrodden - "why bother to attempt to affect change (through revolution) - just accept your lot" et cetc - because the world as we know it is illusion and we wait for a a better world and so on and so forth and all that other rubbish...

Real change requires the change in oneself which begins with the socratic axiom "Know Thyself" One cannot do this without help from above that allows us to "see"

Prove to me why one needs to look outside oneself to "know thyself"? Why do I need the help of some imagined 3rd party to do such a thing? That you have fooled yourself into believing such only speaks to your own inadequacy.

This help from above is "light" which is why it is so important to Armenians.

And which was so obviously helpful when they were being genocided by the Turks

You simply underestimate Christianity.

I don't underestimate it at all - it is extremely powerful and extremely dangerous - in a whole variety of ways...

[Nick_A]

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Yeah - I think that you are loony - diseased - sick - you should get treatment -who knows what the voices will tell you next - definate potential menace to society...

My great great granduncle was an Armenian archbishop. His name was Gabriel Aivazyan. It was know that he had a respect for and friendship with Helena Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy.

I can just picture them having one of their profound conversations that went over the heads of the majority. Those identifying themselves as Christians would be upset that he should talk to Blavatsky. Those asserting themselves as theosophists would be wary also of what they would consider the threat of Christian dogmatism.

They would talk. Those around them would fight and you, believing them all nuts, would probably jump out the window in frustration.

And people wonder why wars can make such sense to people.

[Nick_A]

And which was so obviously helpful when they were being genocided by the Turks.

Yes and you don't know how. The living, dying and dead, all benefited in different ways.

[Gavur]

Abris!!!

[Jade]

Abris!!!

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Yes and you don't know how. The living, dying and dead, all benefited in different ways.

Again that people can take solace in comforting beliefs is all well and good...and the reason why religion is so effective is that it has attached itself to the "mommy help me" part of the brain that we as children use for comfort when we are hurt and afraid and it has attached itself to the "do as I tell you without question" bit as well that is inherrent in all of us as children - as those schildren without this had a greater (evolutionary) tendency to die young...so this religious parasite is very difficult to remove - I understand - but it is a parasite - and I know that it does some good - in comforting them from bad thoughts and fears etc - and thats fine if we are to just remain children or perhaps when we are just faced with overwhelming grief and such and need the narcotics to kill the pain - but that is all it is - a narcotic - an opium - that is used to make us feel better when reality sometimes rears its ugly head.

[Gavur]

Nick_A is correct ,you are throwing the baby with the wash
but since we are Christians ,we wont treat you the same!

[Gavur]

I feel your generalazation is dangeourus
putting people in a group and labeling them!
whats next after that? you should know better then anyone.
Just for the sake of simplfying life for yourself you sacrifice good and the bad lumped together?
Will you compromise your position (may it come late) on your death bed? or will you go with a clinched fist.