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  • #21
    :0 uh oh

    Let's hope that this allegation is true or thought to be true by Turkey. It would speed up the demise of US-Turkish ties. As they say in Ankara; "Inshallah!"






    Gül: Ties with US would collapse if arms to PKK claims confirmed
    Turkish-US relations would break apart if rumors of US supply of arms to the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Iraq are proven correct, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül said.


    Former PKK members fleeing camps in northern Iraq have recently said in their testimonies to security officials and prosecutors that members of the terrorist group in Iraq were being supplied with US weapons. Gül earlier said that Turkey has formally requested an explanation from Washington over the claims and officials said Ankara's concerns were not based solely on confessions of the former PKK members.
    Asked whether Ankara has evidence to support claims of the former PKK members, Gül said in an interview with private Kanal A television on Sunday night that there has been no confirmation of the charges. "We have not confirmed anything. But there is such an allegation and there are convincing confessions," Gül said, emphasizing that the charges were being investigated. "We have requested information [from the US]."

    He said if the US really supplies arms to the PKK, this would eventually be revealed. "If such a thing happens, our relations would break apart," he said. But he added that the allegations could well be part of a plot to undermine Turkish-US ties and said it did not seem logical for the US to supply weapons to the PKK in Iraq openly. "But since there is such an allegation, we have to investigate it," he said.

    The foreign minister said Ankara was aware that weapons supplied to the Iraqi army sometimes turned up in PKK hands amid the chaos in Iraq. "Of course the US military and several European countries give weapons to Iraq as there is a new army being built there. Some of these weapons could end up in PKK hands and indeed we found out that some of the PKK weapons seized were those that had been given to the Iraqi army in good faith."

    The US classifies the PKK as a terrorist organization and has pledged to take steps to counter the threat it poses to Turkey. But few tangible outcomes have emerged from its fight against the group. Impatient with US slowness, Ankara has warned it could carry out a cross-border operation to strike the PKK bases in northern Iraq.

    Gül declined to comment when he was asked whether there could be a cross-border operation in the next month, but added everything could change depending on the circumstances.


    17.07.2007

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    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #22
      The day that Turkish paranoia and rationalization prove to be true is, well, not very bloody likely ever....

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      • #23
        Originally posted by 1.5 million View Post
        The day that Turkish paranoia and rationalization prove to be true is, well, not very bloody likely ever....
        It is probably just paranoia and journalists and politicians stirring the pot but it would be fantastic if it turned out to be true. Additionally if the Israeli-Kurdish connection became more clear regarding training in N. Iraq, it would be a double-whammy. Could you imagine the indignation?!?!?!

        In any event, US arms are probably ending up in the hand of the PKK indirectly through their Kurdish friend in N. Iraq.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • #24
          Dear Joseph and all Armenian brothers and sisters,

          This is my first posting on my website so please be gentle with me.

          I am a Christian who supports the creation of a Kurdish state and I would love the opportunity to provide a link between the Armenian people and the Kurdish people because you have both been the victims of the same fate.

          I do not believe in vengeance but I do firmly believe in people and nations acknowledging what they have done. I do know that most Kurds I know fully support Armenian efforts to get the Armenian genocide recognised and accepted publicly by the Turks and it is not just due to self-interest, it is genuine. I went to Kurdistan, as a Christian, and was invited to stay with a Kurdish family and leave my hotel. We have been close friends ever since.

          There are always some extremists in every society but I know the vast majority of Kurds just see human beings and do not care about your respective religion. I have also heard from a Kurdish friend who is a musician and visited Armenia recently that the Armenian people are just as welcoming.

          I am Scottish and I am a warrior by personality, I do my fighting mostly with words. I will gladly stand and shout for up for Armenian rights as much as I will Kurdish rights. John's Gospel was written in a very personal tone, by a man who knew Jesus. I do take that as my inspiration for life.

          God bless the Armenian people,

          Peter Stitt

          PS: Joseph, please email me some of your history and your people's views, aspirations etc. I genuinely wish to know what will make the Armenian people happy and what is causing them distress.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Peter Stitt View Post

            I do know that most Kurds I know fully support Armenian efforts to get the Armenian genocide recognised and accepted publicly by the Turks and it is not just due to self-interest, it is genuine.
            Welcome here Peter,
            please take time to read the threads in this forum and you will see that your Kurdish friends are, unfortunately, probably in the minority.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Peter Stitt View Post
              Dear Joseph and all Armenian brothers and sisters,

              This is my first posting on my website so please be gentle with me.

              I am a Christian who supports the creation of a Kurdish state and I would love the opportunity to provide a link between the Armenian people and the Kurdish people because you have both been the victims of the same fate.

              I do not believe in vengeance but I do firmly believe in people and nations acknowledging what they have done. I do know that most Kurds I know fully support Armenian efforts to get the Armenian genocide recognised and accepted publicly by the Turks and it is not just due to self-interest, it is genuine. I went to Kurdistan, as a Christian, and was invited to stay with a Kurdish family and leave my hotel. We have been close friends ever since.

              There are always some extremists in every society but I know the vast majority of Kurds just see human beings and do not care about your respective religion. I have also heard from a Kurdish friend who is a musician and visited Armenia recently that the Armenian people are just as welcoming.

              I am Scottish and I am a warrior by personality, I do my fighting mostly with words. I will gladly stand and shout for up for Armenian rights as much as I will Kurdish rights. John's Gospel was written in a very personal tone, by a man who knew Jesus. I do take that as my inspiration for life.

              God bless the Armenian people,

              Peter Stitt

              PS: Joseph, please email me some of your history and your people's views, aspirations etc. I genuinely wish to know what will make the Armenian people happy and what is causing them distress.
              Welcome to the forum Peter.

              You can browse around this forum and see some pretty heated discussions between Kurds and Turks. We have had some Kurdish members here and by and large they have been supportive.

              My view of the Kurds is as follows;
              - the Kurds did a good portion of the dirty work on behalf of the Turks
              - Armenians and Kurds have had mostly bad relations throughout history due to Kurdish treatment of Armenians

              Our relations with the Kurds are complicated but for the most part we are behind Kurdish independence in Iraq and with for the growth of Armenian-Kurdish relations. By and large, the Kurds ( or atleast their political parties) have admitted to their role in the Genocide and because of that, current relations between Armenians and Kurds are friendly.

              If the Turks decide to invade Southern Kurdistan, I hope the Kurds hold their ground and bloody the Turks noses.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • #27
                Thank you Steph and Joseph for the warm welcome.

                Maybe it is because I am an outsider that I carry little historical baggage to the table. Anything I can ever do to help relations I will gladly do.

                I will continue to study and listen and voice opinions where appropriate. I do know that western interference does not help matters, especially when dealing with a Muslim people (I have been accused of being involved with "George Bush' plot" to destroy Muslim unity on a Turkish website!) but calm talking never did much harm.

                God bless all,

                Peter

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Joseph View Post
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                  If the Turks decide to invade Southern Kurdistan, I hope the Kurds hold their ground and bloody the Turks noses.


                  The Turks can bullxxxx all they want about invasion etc.An independent Kurdistan is gradually becoming a reality and the Turks shall once again have to face a nation fighting for their independence like when they faced the Greeks and we caused them totalitarian damage as to bring down the Ottoman Empire and started the Empire's totall collapse.

                  .All Turkey can do is blackmail but they will obey their US masters and they will shut up as they always do.
                  Greece fully backs the Kurds and mooves such as those despite our role in arresting Otsalan.Greece was openly providing training campuses to PKK and Turkey was crying while we were training them.

                  Anyway how long will that last?10 years?20?30 maybe...But there is no possible way that a Kurdish state will not form.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                    Maybe America realises that a single, partially reliable, Turkish dog is worth a hundred self-seeking, fawning Kurdish ones. Kurdish dogs may bark a lot for show, but they are all toothless, cowardly curs who are mostly just interested in licking their own and each others genitals.

                    I believe you are making proud your Turkish anscestors by comparing a dog to a Turk.

                    I d have to go with the pig as well.

                    The Kurds are by far more brave than the spineless Turkish government.

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                    • #30
                      contact

                      Dear Joseph and Steph,

                      I have recently upset PKK with some of my comments and I am very proud I have done so because I think they were reasonable comments about Turkish lives being as valuable as Kurdish lives as British lives etc. I also mentioned that guns never created any lasting peace anywhere in history, they just exacerbate the suffering of normal people who are not particularly interested in politics but simply want to put food on the table and educate their families.

                      I don't want to put my personal email address here because I have become "hot" for Ocelan supporters but I have an email address at Kurdish Aspect so, if I print it here could you, Steph and Joseph, contact me there and then I will give you my direct email address because I want to talk with you about all of these issues. If you write I will know it is you from the "feel" of your writing. I tried to give you guys my email address through the "contact" channel of this website but you haven't written so I assume it didn't get to you. My Kurdish Aspect address is [email protected] and I want to hear Armenian voices because I need to hear the WHOLE truth.

                      God bless all,

                      Peter

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