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  • #31
    Raffi Hovannisian denies genocide

    I know he isn't Ter Petrossian, but it has to do with the election, and so I thought I'd post it here as opposed to start a whole new thread.

    Raffi Hovannisian Panders to Turkey

    At the Cost of Political Bankruptcy

    By APPO JABARIAN
    Executive Publisher/Managing Editor
    USA ARMENIAN LIFE Magazine

    [email protected]

    August 29, 2007, Armenia’s Heritage Party leader Raffi K. Hovannisian sent a letter of congratulations to the then newly elected Turkish president Abdullah Gul.

    He wrote: “The deep divides between our countries, be they of contemporary character or part of the legacy of the Great Armenian Dispossession, must be overcome and resolved in truth, with integrity, and through the partnership of the two new leaders and their fellow citizens of good faith and conscience.”

    Soon after the content of the letter was revealed, the highly insulting term “Great Armenian Dispossession” used in lieu of the words “The Armenian Genocide” sent political shockwaves in Armenia and the Diaspora. Heritage Party officials hoped the issue would disappear with the flow of time. But the exact opposite happened.

    On February 13, Armen Tsaturyan of “Hayots Ashkhar” (The Armenian World) wrote a scathing commentary against Hovannisian. He stated: “If we set aside all the political major and minor likability and non-likability issues and are guided by cool logic, we can not define Raffi Hovannisian’s action except with one word: ‘Treason.’”

    Tsaturyan reported that Hovannisian pandered to Turkey as follows: “It is to be hoped that, during your tenure and that of the next Armenian president to be elected in several months’ time, Turkish-Armenian relations will enter a wholly new phase of reflection, exploration, discovery, and ultimate normalization.”

    “It turns out that the son of historian Richard Hovannisian, a notable heir to the victims of the Armenian Genocide, needs further ’studies’ on the issue of the Armenian Genocide. With his outlandish proposal to co-initiate ’studies,’ he is furthering the Turkish obvious goal to establish a joint commission of historians. And that is the shortest route to subjecting the facts of the Armenian genocide to suspicion,” concluded Tsaturyan.

    On February 16, according to Noyan Tapan news agency, in an open letter to the Heritage Party, the chairman of the Armenian community of Slovakia Ashot Grigorian blasted Hovannisian: “No doubt, Raffi Hovannisian should have been well aware of the political value of the term ‘genocide,’ whose importance is hard to overestimate today. Turkey is ready to pay dearly if the Armenians agree to replace the term ‘genocide’ with any other word. … In his letter, Hovannisian replaced voluntarily the term ‘genocide’ with another term more acceptable to Turks, thus ruining the work we have done for years and decades. This calls into question today the result of the huge and hard work on passing the resolution on the genocide in the National Assembly of Slovakia. The resolutions passed by the parliaments of about twenty countries have also been deprived of meaning.”

    An Armenian activist underlined: “As the saying goes, one should not change horses in mid-stream, Armenians have invested decades of effort to get the words Armenian Genocide recognized. There is no reason to abandon that and start using another word. In fact, the smart thing to do would have been to use all sorts of words like ‘forced deportation’, ‘mass killings’, ‘ethnic cleansing’, ‘dispossession’, but use these words in addition to ‘genocide’, NOT in its place. Also, why is Raffi congratulating Gul? He is neither the President nor the Foreign Minister of Armenia!”

    One wonders, what’s going on in the Hovannisian households in Los Angeles and Yerevan?

    In early 2006, the grandfather Prof. Richard Hovannisian of UCLA, reportedly told RFE/RL that “in some respects Armenia is now an even less democratic state than Turkey, its historical foe regularly castigated by the West for its poor human and civil rights record.”

    On July 30, 2007, on the eve of the passage by U.S. House Foreign Relations Committee of the Armenian Genocide resolution 106, Raffi’s son and the elder Hovannisian’s grandson Garin wrote in the Washington Times: “… Bad congressional resolutions might well begin to sound like good Philip Larkin: ‘Sexual intercourse began /In nineteen sixty-three. …/ Between the end of the Chatterley ban /And the Beatles’ first LP.’” This was not the first time that the second junior Hovannisian has ridiculed and poked fun at his martyred Armenian ancestor’s Cause.

    And now, his father, Raffi, all too willingly attempts to jeopardize the Armenian Cause in return of personal political gains.

    In 1992, the Raffi Hovannisian the Armenians knew and respected was the steadfast Foreign Minister of Armenia who clearly uttered the words Armenian Genocide in Turkey. He was fired by the then president of Armenia, Mr. Levon Ter Petrossyan ironically for having been honest. Then, Raffi remained in Armenia and pursued the objective to become the next president of Armenia. His efforts were blocked. When that didn’t materialize, his father, Prof. Hovannisian slapped Armenia in the face by preferring Turkey as a “better Democracy” than Armenia. What a change for the worse! Then Raffi’s son Garin “punished” Armenia. So if Turkey is a better democracy than Armenia, how come he is not relocating to what is now called Turkey and pursue his political ambitions there by presenting his candidacy for the presidency of Turkey?

    By having pandered to Turkey, Hovannisian overdrew on what was left of his political capital in Armenia-Artsakh and around the world. He effectively antagonized literally millions of Armenians. Every year millions of survivors and their descendants flock to the Armenian Genocide monuments in Yerevan and elsewhere. Hundreds of thousands mobilize in marches condemning Turkey’s continued denial of the Genocide and the wholesale forced occupation of the Armenian lands.

    Hovannisian has de facto attempted to torpedo the justice pursued by the clear majority of Armenians. But in fact he torpedoed his own political career

    The overwhelming majority of Armenians in the homeland and the Diaspora would prefer to see their beloved republics of Armenia and Artsakh transform their soviet-era corrupt bureaucracies into healthy, fully functioning government bodies. But that desire, along with the urge to seek personal political gain, does not give the Hovannisians or anyone else a green light to make erroneous statements, unfairly belittling, and even worse undermine their fledgling new republics and provide damaging ammunition to the enemy.

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    • #32
      Weekend's arrests and protests in Yerevan

      Has anyone any news/views on the widespread arrests over this weekend?

      Not much seems to be getting out at the moment.



      «Ա1+». Ամենահրատապ եւ անաչառ տեղեկատվությունը Հայաստանից։ Լուրեր,հարցազրույցներ, տեսանյութեր. ուղիղ /online/ հեռարձակում՝ Երեւանից եւ մյուս մարզերից

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      • #33
        Armenian leader warns protesters
        By Matthew Collin
        BBC News, Yerevan

        Opposition protesters in Yerevan
        Protests have continued since Tuesday's elections
        The outgoing President of Armenia, Robert Kocharian, has threatened a "firm response" to what he called opposition attempts to seize power.

        Opposition supporters have been protesting around the clock about the results of Tuesday's presidential elections which they say were rigged.

        According to official results, Armenia's current Prime Minister, Serge Sarkisian, was elected president.

        International observers have judged the poll to be generally democratic.

        Official results give Mr Sarkisian 53% of the vote, with Mr Ter-Petrosian his nearest rival on 21.5%.

        Levon Ter-Petrosian
        Official results show that Ter-Petrosian lost heavily

        On Saturday around 50,000 people held the biggest demonstration against the election result so far despite having no official permission to do so.

        The demonstrators have set up a tent camp in Yerevan's Freedom Square, they say they will stay there until the authorities back down.

        Also on Saturday, thousands of Armenian women stood face to face with a line of riot police chanting the name of the opposition leader they believe was the real winner of this week's elections, Levon Ter-Petrosian.

        The women had marched through the streets of the capital bringing traffic to a standstill.

        "The people wont remain silent about this authoritarian regime," one of the women said, "we believe they have no right to be in power".

        The outgoing President, Robert Kocharian, says he views actions like these as an attempt to seize power.

        He says the government's response would be decisive and firm to maintain stability and order.

        But an opposition spokesman dismissed this warning and said the protests would continue until the election results are overturned.

        He said any use of force would be catastrophic for the government.

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        • #34

          I say we execute Levon!
          That piece of xxxx has managed to fool some of our naive people again.. seems like they didn't learn their lesson the first time around.

          btw I never read hetq.. I've found many many biased articles in it so I don't read it anymore.

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          • #35
            He didn't really deny it.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tongue View Post
              I say we execute Levon!
              That piece of xxxx has managed to fool some of our naive people again.. seems like they didn't learn their lesson the first time around.

              btw I never read hetq.. I've found many many biased articles in it so I don't read it anymore.
              Levon is such a hypocrite. The fact that they had this demonstration planned well before the election just goes to show you the lengths he would go to discredit Armenian.

              I seem to remember Levon's henchman/Interior Minister Vano Siradeghyan - no wanted by Interpol for murder, extortion, etc- made this statement in 1996;

              "Even if Levon receives no votes, I will make sure he remains president"
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                Levon is such a hypocrite. The fact that they had this demonstration planned well before the election just goes to show you the lengths he would go to discredit Armenian.

                I seem to remember Levon's henchman/Interior Minister Vano Siradeghyan - no wanted by Interpol for murder, extortion, etc- made this statement in 1996;

                "Even if Levon receives no votes, I will make sure he remains president"
                Oskanian: defeated side should accept election outcomes
                25.02.2008 14:24 GMT+04:00
                /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “I could not imagine such shocks are possible in our republic. But unfortunately, there are people who chose hatred and revenge,” Armenian Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian said in Yerevan today.

                “Those who gathered at Liberty Square do not want to understand that out country faces global challenges. The election is over. The CEC has officially announced the winner. I think that the defeated should accept this fact and reach out for reconciliation,” the Minister said.

                He said the Armenian people should unite to prevent genocidal acts like those which took place in Sumgayit in February 1998. “The domestic tensions will affect the country’s international image and the Karabakh conflict settlement. I rate conduction of rallies as manifestation of democracy but there is a limit to everything. There were seven days to re-count the votes and express discontent with the defeat,” he said.

                “Civilized methods, specifically appeal to the Constitutional Court, will be admitted by the international community and will be a positive factor for the Armenian democracy. I think that the nation will comprehend everything and will put an end to rallies, thus directing the opposition to the right track,” the Minister said.

                The opposition initiated a rally on February 20 to protest the outcomes of the presidential election won by Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan with 52,82 per cent of votes. Ex-President Levon Ter-Petrosyan received 21,5 per cent of votes.
                General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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