MSNBC's Armenian Genocide Poll

[chinchilla]

Vote: Should U.S. recognize the Armenian genocide?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21253084/

62% say Yes.
31% say No.
7% say I'm not sure.

[Gavur]

Latest:65%Yes
30% No
4.6 % Notsure

[Gavur]

What was I thinking I forgot from past experience with the PBS vote that this poll was rigged .

[Joseph]

What was I thinking I forgot from past experience with the PBS vote that this poll was rigged .

Its simply demographics. There are only 7 million Armenians worldwide and 78 million Turks and Azeris. If we break it down to those that care/are politically active and took time to vote and have access to the internet, then we will lose such polls everytime. Word gets out pretty fast these days so it was only a matter of time.

[Steph]

Latest:65%Yes
30% No
4.6 % Notsure

I just voted and it stood at 20% yes, 79% noes.

turks everywhere......

[phantom]

You guys are deluding yourselves if you think this 20% versus 80% is a result of just Turks. Read the blogs and articles and comments to those articles, and you'll see that the majority of people have now been brainwashed into thinking this is the right resolution at the wrong time. The neocons are all against this resolution, and who do you think is crowding the airwaves, newspapers, magazines, and weblogs with the "bad timing" spin? I think the vote is going to be a very very close one.

[Tongue]

I also think the this poll is extremely biased.
It basically has both "No, because it didn't happen" and "No because we need Turkey as an ally" under the same category of "NO" votes.. But they're completely different things (but still the answer should be obvious). I don't understand why a survey would do that but whatever. I mean why not have the option "No, even though there was a genocide, for now Turkeys' too important of an ally to lose" or something? I mean the word "besides" in their no option is just very fishy. Could it be because they're trying to promote the bush administration's interests? Who knows..

[Falc]

Polls

Any such poll is inherently flawed, biased. The people who frequent MSNBC (or MS anything else) are not the same ones that would visit Fox News or some other station, for a variety of reasons, including personal politics. Put that same poll here, for example, and you'd get very different results.

I find it interesting the way that traditionally kneejerk Republicans (and that often includes both Armenians and Muslims) supported Bush because he supposedly had conservative (read: more narrowly stringent) religious beliefs. Only when they found out what the schmuck would do with those beliefs did those people eventually come to disavow him. After his recent comments, I doubt many Armenians would vote for him, but 8 years ago, many of us seemed to think him a good choice. American Muslims did the same thing, only to find Bush waging war against their relatives in the Middle-east.

For my part, I have no problem with Muslims. I can even find some sympathy for today's Turks, in that their government has stringently misled and brainwashed them into believing that spin on the genocide. My compassion stops short at those who know better, and at those who knowingly and wittingly disenfranchise us while standing on our own historic homelands.

Can anyone name one nation that has every gotten along with Turkey for more than a short while, or gotten a fair shake from that country?

I'm left to wonder if this isn't how native Americans feel about the USA and those of us living here on their lands.

Enough rambling for one evening.

[imported_Fadix]

You guys are deluding yourselves if you think this 20% versus 80% is a result of just Turks. Read the blogs and articles and comments to those articles, and you'll see that the majority of people have now been brainwashed into thinking this is the right resolution at the wrong time. The neocons are all against this resolution, and who do you think is crowding the airwaves, newspapers, magazines, and weblogs with the "bad timing" spin? I think the vote is going to be a very very close one.

Actually Phantom, it is a result of just Turks. The last count is nearly a million. Most American's don't fk care about it, unlike what the news seem to tell.

Here some Turkish online news service using their popularity:

http://xxxxxxxx.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=16907&view=findpost&p=213878

The million mark for a poll isen't even given for a presidential election. Don't forget that they did it again during the last poll, with nearly 700,000 votes. By then for stuff such as the PBS panel, how much Americans knew or cared to get that much in the poll?

[Falc]

As of 2 minutes ago:

Should the United States formally recognize the World War I-era killing of Armenians as genocide? * 911143 responses

Yes. Many scholars agree that the Ottoman Turks systematically killed up to 1.5 million Armenians. Other countries have recognized this as genocide. The U.S. should do the same.
19%

No. Historians continue to debate whether the deaths were genocide. Besides, Turkey is too important an ally to alienate when the U.S. has troops in the Middle East.
80%

I'm not sure.
1%