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    Turks are visiting the AG museum in shock

    Interesting article I found. I hope this keeps up and more Turks start to realize the truth. We should welcome and encourage such participation by Turks and let them absorb the reality without us shoving it down their throats.

    Turkey scared to admit Armenian genocide, says historian
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/22/turkey
    Remarks cast shadow over efforts to forge new Turkish-Armenian rapprochement


    "More than 500 Turks have visited this year. They've come in unprecedented numbers," Demoyan said. "Their reaction is one of shock. At first there is denial. Sometimes they ask: 'What is our sin?' or 'How can we be responsible for this?'. It's not taught in Turkish schools, so we understand their reaction."


    Question: Is it more important for Turkish Government to be forced to recognize the AG or would it be more beneficial for Armenians and Turks if the Turkish population starts to recognize the AG and asks their government to finalize it?

    This is why I think the young Armenian and Turkish generations hold the key.

    In a Democracy, we the people have a responsibility to hold our government and our officials liable for their actions. That is our duty as citizens of a country that we have been born into or have become a part of. This also must apply to Turkish “Democracy” and Turks, as nationalistic as they are, there would be nothing more patriotic than to hold your own government in check and uphold the constitution, for the good of Turkish nation.
    BTW, I don’t know how Turkish Democracy works.

    Remember, Governments are scared of their own people.
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    Well in any country there are extreme nationalists, all are dangerous. They exist in Turkey, Israel, Africa and almost everywhere. Its really up to the majority to keep them from power, once that is done then toleration and respect of other nations (and recognition of the Armenian Genocide in Turkey) is possible.

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      Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
      Well in any country there are extreme nationalists, all are dangerous. They exist in Turkey, Israel, Africa and almost everywhere. Its really up to the majority to keep them from power, once that is done then toleration and respect of other nations (and recognition of the Armenian Genocide in Turkey) is possible.
      That's an inevitable fact that in every country there are nationalists (i think extreme nationalist is absurd term because that term implies lighter forms of nationalism is harmless).

      What the problem makes Turkey different is nationalism is ordinary and mainstream. For example, the biggest newspaper group of Turkey, Hurriyet's motto is "Turkey belongs to Turks" or every morning chlidren in Turkish schools shout "Happy for the one says i am Turkish". I suppose everybody in the forum knows the examples.

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        Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
        That's an inevitable fact that in every country there are nationalists (i think extreme nationalist is absurd term because that term implies lighter forms of nationalism is harmless).

        What the problem makes Turkey different is nationalism is ordinary and mainstream. For example, the biggest newspaper group of Turkey, Hurriyet's motto is "Turkey belongs to Turks" or every morning chlidren in Turkish schools shout "Happy for the one says i am Turkish". I suppose everybody in the forum knows the examples.
        Sorry for going off topic Arda but what happened to Turkish Daily News?I used to read this newspaper from time to time but when you want to logg in to their website it redirects you to Hurriyet.Do you also have the same problem?

        Here`s the link:

        Turkish Daily News
        https://www.turkishdailynews.com/
        The Turkish Daily News TDN Newspaper legend goes on, get daily updates on Turkey and Region, Syria War, Turkish Politics and EU, Middle East, Sports and Entertainment

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          Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
          Sorry for going off topic Arda but what happened to Turkish Daily News?I used to read this newspaper from time to time but when you want to logg in to their website it redirects you to Hurriyet.Do you also have the same problem?

          Here`s the link:

          www.turkishdailynews.com/
          Yeah i know the problem. As far as i know, Dogan Media Group bought Turkish Daily News

          You know, money talks.

          I can suggest these ones as well:

          http://www.agos.com.tr/ (Armenian newspaper)
          http://yenisafak.com.tr/English/ (Light Islamist)

          Just to get some info

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            Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
            Sorry for going off topic Arda but what happened to Turkish Daily News?I used to read this newspaper from time to time but when you want to logg in to their website it redirects you to Hurriyet.Do you also have the same problem?

            Here`s the link:

            www.turkishdailynews.com/
            Dogan purchased them and the link sends you to Hurriyet.
            General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
              That's an inevitable fact that in every country there are nationalists (i think extreme nationalist is absurd term because that term implies lighter forms of nationalism is harmless).

              What the problem makes Turkey different is nationalism is ordinary and mainstream. For example, the biggest newspaper group of Turkey, Hurriyet's motto is "Turkey belongs to Turks" or every morning chlidren in Turkish schools shout "Happy for the one says i am Turkish". I suppose everybody in the forum knows the examples.
              Nationalism can be harmless though, it just depends on what sort of thing you imply by nationalism e.g. flag waving,etc is acceptable and so is being proud of your nation and wanting to protect it and its borders.

              The problems arise when you only love your own people and your own country and view everywhere else as inferior/unclean, and don't show the same respect to other nations as you do your own as what happened in Nazi Germany and of course Ottoman Turkey and so on.

              As for the concept of nationalism being ordinary and mainstream, it is like that everywhere. It is just what the term implies that is the problem, in Turkey Turkish seems to imply an actual racial group as opposed to all the people in the nations borders. In New Zealand everyone says they are New Zealander's and that they should be proud to be New Zealander's and so on, but by that term we always imply all the people holding a New Zealand passport (regardless of how long they have been here).

              I think really that people are fully part of a nation once they have that nation's passport, and should not be discriminated against. Simple.

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                @ ardakilic

                Tesekkur ederim kardes for the links.


                @ Joseph

                I had no idea about that.Thanks for the info Joseph.

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                  This is really good news, if we can work together (we've started in the past years already) then this issue will be dealt with properly otherwise this may go on forever. And I really doubt we need 120 years to see some change, at least I'm not going to wait. We have to move forward as much as we can otherwise our governments may never move an inch.
                  THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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                    Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
                    Nationalism can be harmless though, it just depends on what sort of thing you imply by nationalism e.g. flag waving,etc is acceptable and so is being proud of your nation and wanting to protect it and its borders.

                    The problems arise when you only love your own people and your own country and view everywhere else as inferior/unclean, and don't show the same respect to other nations as you do your own as what happened in Nazi Germany and of course Ottoman Turkey and so on.

                    As for the concept of nationalism being ordinary and mainstream, it is like that everywhere. It is just what the term implies that is the problem, in Turkey Turkish seems to imply an actual racial group as opposed to all the people in the nations borders. In New Zealand everyone says they are New Zealander's and that they should be proud to be New Zealander's and so on, but by that term we always imply all the people holding a New Zealand passport (regardless of how long they have been here).

                    I think really that people are fully part of a nation once they have that nation's passport, and should not be discriminated against. Simple.
                    In principle, your words imply the truth maybe. But i am not sure about that happening in reality. Countries like USA, New Zeland or Australia maybe it is easy to seperate "patriotism as a popular figure" to "nationalism". I mean, just to feel good about where you live. This is ok.

                    But, at least according to me, nationalism is a very different issue. Because, first of all, it is based on a "constructed notion", the nation. This phneomena leads us the nation-building process, to put it mildly, means assimilation.

                    Secondly, through the history, nationalism defined itself to be against "the other". For this reason i see a diference between USA-New Zelanad etc. Because, in these countries (except USA), there is no other nation to be against. Everybody is "other", you see

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