Worse then the Worst

[phantom]

you see ı dont know history well. ı only follow my insticts. ı think simple.armenians were in anatolia before turks. armenians just like others wanted to have their own country. but they couldnt. and than all of them are eliminated.

so untill here, ım not very different than the other tıurks. but the difference is ,that many turks think this is a normal punishment while ı think this is a huge crime.

ı blame the state who ordered such a violant solution to their problem.

That's it in a nutshell. When somebody asks me how do I know it was a Genocide since I'm not a historian, this is it. Yes, historians almost all say it was a Genocide, but you don't need to be a historian to make the same conclusion. You need common sense like you have, and you need these 2 basic facts: Before 1915 half the world's Armenians lived in Anatolia where they had lived for at least 2500 years; by 1918 there were almost no Armenians left in Anatolia.

[Edoman]

Guys, we all know that Armenians had MANY losses in the Genocide but what losses would you say were the worst to you or stand out more then the others? There's a catch though remember, you can't say "Losing all the land" or "Losing all our people", that's obvious .

Severe complications from living in Diaspora as a crazy full blooded Armenian.
This is no joke, it really hurts and unless you have lived it, you couldn't possibly understand it. Too many emotions Saco Jan.



Phantom.
What do you really think about this Turkish petition?
Is this just a political move orchestrated by the opposition using “Democracy/Freedom of speech” in order to put this ruling party on the spot, or is it an attempt to show meaningful improvements on the human rights issues in order to impress the EU….all the while both of them would not hesitate to use the good Turks to their advantage.

Sorry for being suspicious Y’ll. Nobody more than I would like to be proven wrong.

[phantom]

Severe complications from living in Diaspora as a crazy full blooded Armenian.
This is no joke, it really hurts and unless you have lived it, you couldn't possibly understand it. Too many emotions Saco Jan.



Phantom.
What do you really think about this Turkish petition?
Is this just a political move orchestrated by the opposition using “Democracy/Freedom of speech” in order to put this ruling party on the spot, or is it an attempt to show meaningful improvements on the human rights issues in order to impress the EU….all the while both of them would not hesitate to use the good Turks to their advantage.

Sorry for being suspicious Y’ll. Nobody more than I would like to be proven wrong.

Edoman, I don't care what the motive is. Let's seize the opportunity and help all of those who have signed this petition. Let it get bigger and stronger so that the Turkish people know they don't have to follow the nationalist, racist line of thinking, and that there is another way that is valid and strong. That's why I think that as Armenians, we should respond with our own gesture so that this can snowball into bigger and better things and more good feelings between Armenians and Turks.

SOMEBODY SHOULD START A PETITION THANKING ALL OF THOSE WHO STARTED AND SIGNED THE TURKISH PETITION.

But to answer your question directly, I don't see a bad motive in this. And BTW, I think the only reason they didn't use the word Genocide is because they didn't want to politicize this act of humanity. They used the exact words we Armenians use translated into Turkish, and we all know what that means.

[Sako]

Lal, thanks for sharing and I hope no one ever sees what our ancestors have.

Severe complications from living in Diaspora as a crazy full blooded Armenian.
This is no joke, it really hurts and unless you have lived it, you couldn't possibly understand it. Too many emotions Saco Jan.

Great point. I mean we're the ones that have to live with it.

Regarding whether the petition is just political or not, I'd say I don't care like Phantom over here said. An action is an action regardless of how it is being done. How you do it is what you should think about, other's can't read your mind, but doing something in the right mental state is what makes all you do more effective, meaningful and right basically. It won't harm us though if that's what your asking, I doubt that seriously.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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I think the worst that anyone suffers in a situation of Genocide is the poverty of the spirit, I mean in that Armenians were massacred, forced to assimilate at times and had they culture mocked, they were led by people to believe they were inferior to their oppressors.

I think the worst of this must have been for Armenian kids, alot of the Armenians who survived the Genocide, lost their parents in front of their eyes, after all of this, the Genocide is still denied like Armenians are liars.

The feelings that Armenians had were later even worse probably, because
Armenians had frequently faced discrimination in other countries the settled in, even at times being called liars. The effect that someone can believe you would lie abotu something like that is horrific

Also for the kids who had to assimilate, they had to live amongst the very people that killed their families, see the houses and all they had, then see how Armenians had to come to other countries with sometimes just the clothes on their backs, whereas at a stage they lived well as artisans.

[Sako]

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Great points bro. I completely agree.

[Federate]

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The greatest loss in the long run will be the diaspora, consisting of more than half of Armenians' total population, which can be considered partly a creation or consequence of the Armenian Genocide.

Currently, there are 3.2 million Armenians in Armenia (at best). That leaves more than half of the total Armenians worldwide in direct threat of assimilation. Sure, the diaspora is Armenia's greatest asset at the moment and we should strengthen it. But that is only temporary, Diasporas are meant to be temporary or else they will eventually die out/assimilate willingly or unwillingly. If it is not me that will assimilate, maybe my son or my grandson or his future children. Armenians call this "white genocide". It is a continuation of the genocide and indeed the true number of victims did not stop at 1.5 million but grows as we speak.

[yerazhishda]

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Currently, there are 3.2 million Armenians in Armenia (at best). That leaves more than half of the total Armenians worldwide in direct threat of assimilation. Sure, the diaspora is Armenia's greatest asset at the moment and we should strengthen it. But that is only temporary, Diasporas are meant to be temporary or else they will eventually die out/assimilate willingly or unwillingly. If it is not me that will assimilate, maybe my son or my grandson or his future children. Armenians call this "white genocide". It is a continuation of the genocide and indeed the true number of victims did not stop at 1.5 million but grows as we speak.

I agree with you, word for word. Now if only they could put this up in every church, cultural center and Armenian school around the Diaspora maybe us Armenians would start getting the picture...

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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The greatest loss in the long run will be the diaspora, consisting of more than half of Armenians' total population, which can be considered partly a creation or consequence of the Armenian Genocide.

Currently, there are 3.2 million Armenians in Armenia (at best). That leaves more than half of the total Armenians worldwide in direct threat of assimilation. Sure, the diaspora is Armenia's greatest asset at the moment and we should strengthen it. But that is only temporary, Diasporas are meant to be temporary or else they will eventually die out/assimilate willingly or unwillingly. If it is not me that will assimilate, maybe my son or my grandson or his future children. Armenians call this "white genocide". It is a continuation of the genocide and indeed the true number of victims did not stop at 1.5 million but grows as we speak.

Good points.
I'm not sure if there is a huge danger neccesarily, there are many Armenians for instance in France, Lebanon and Argentina who are very proud of their heritage and have not assimilated. There are half and quater Armenians who are fiercely proud of being Armenians and know Hayeren.

I guess though that any minority has a danger of assimilation if you are out of your indigenous homeland

[Federate]

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The reason why Argentina, France and especially Lebanon Armenian communities have been successful is because of their mass. For example, who remembers the once flourishing Polish-Armenian community? As long as their is a fresh influx of immigrants every few decades, the community will survive for a little longer. But the immigrants will all come from Armenia these days so this is terrible for the republic.

The longer the Armenians stay in these countries, the more chances that they will end up losing their culture. I agree there are plenty of proud Armenians in the diaspora but like I said, if he is staying Armenian then what makes us so sure his son will follow in his footsteps?

Now, one might say that Armenians have been without an independent homeland for so long and survived. Well times have changed and for the first time, we are in four corners of the world and we do not live on 9/10 of the historic Armenian homeland. The secularization of the world also plays a part in it being harder to remain Armenian in Western countries especially.