What if ... ?

[Sako]

Guys, what if you could do anything? What if you had the power to make major decisions? If you did, what would you do to help the Armenians (and Turks) and to get the AG recognized? Take this very seriously, imagine you actually had the power ... what would you do?

[Steph]

Guys, what if you could do anything? What if you had the power to make major decisions? If you did, what would you do to help the Armenians (and Turks) and to get the AG recognized? Take this very seriously, imagine you actually had the power ... what would you do?

Take the entire turkish nation on a "dream walk" as in "A Christmas Carol", let them see Christmas Past, Present and Future.
At the end of the "dream walk", Saco, the turkish people still need to make their own decision.

[Sako]

Very smart. I think that will be happening soon enough though. I kinda meant if you were the one in charge of deciding. If you had to make choices, what would they be?

[ardakilic]

Very smart. I think that will be happening soon enough though. I kinda meant if you were the one in charge of deciding. If you had to make choices, what would they be?

We also stated some plans or intentions or demands two years ago in a declaration (of Young Mathematicians of East). Of course they are solutions for Turkey:

1- Recognize Armenian, Assyrian, Greek and Dersim Genocide
2- Issue an offical state bill that states "Turkey Republic feels extremely sorry for the atrocities, mass murders, rapes, steals and other inhuman acts which are done by Ittihadist and Kemalist governments against Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, Turks and other peoples of Anatolia"
3- Open borders and remove obstacles in ports between Armenia and Turkey
4- Erect a monument just in the border line dedicated to Genocides one side in Armenian, one side in Turkish
5- Accept exiled people of Anatolia to settle their homeland as equal citizens
6- Give compensation to Armenia annually in the name of humanitarian aid
7- Establish a new constitution that doesnot contain any kind of nationalism and Kemalism
8- Start negotiations between 4 countries to solve problems
9- Solve problem in Cyprus
10- Recognize and support Kurdish language and Kurdish people
11- Establish Anatolian People Institution in proper universities that research and develop Anatolian peoples' languages, culture and civilization
12- Start a student exchange programme between Armenia and Turkey
13- Return all properties of foundations that were confiscated by the state
14- Abolish Religious Affairs Administration
15- Abolish obligatory "religion" classes
16- Sue officials especially for those who intervened inhuman acts
17- Issue a general amnesty for political prisoners
18- Remove all portraits, statues and such things of Kemal from squares, roads, streets, public offices, schools etc.
19- Return original names of villages, towns, cities etc. and stop Turkifying place names
20- Rewrite educational books according to "real history"

[Sako]

Great work Arda. I don't think everyone will agree with 18 and 19 though.

Let's add to the list. Here are a few from my side.

21. Return all Armenian deposits in Turkey.
22. Make a wall and write down the names of the Armenians that were killed. Not only Armenians but people from other countries too. (Thank Edoman for this idea )
23. Allow Armenians to enter the archives whenever they wish and return a lot of it, most archival material doesn't belong to Turkey and anyways, Turks will burn them slowly, slowly so we should save however much we can.

[ardakilic]

Great work Arda. I don't think everyone will agree with 18 and 19 though.

Let's add to the list. Here are a few from my side.

21. Return all Armenian deposits in Turkey.
22. Make a wall and write down the names of the Armenians that were killed. Not only Armenians but people from other countries too. (Thank Edoman for this idea )
23. Allow Armenians to enter the archives whenever they wish and return a lot of it, most archival material doesn't belong to Turkey and anyways, Turks will burn them slowly, slowly so we should save however much we can.

22 is very well, I meant such kind of thing by saying "Erect a monument...".

21 is impossible unfortunately. Not because of i disagree but because of destruction of all records. Instead of this, i thought giving directly to Armenia a compensation is better.

23 is also related to 21.

[lal]

We also stated some plans or intentions or demands two years ago in a declaration (of Young Mathematicians of East). Of course they are solutions for Turkey:

1- Recognize Armenian, Assyrian, Greek and Dersim Genocide
2- Issue an offical state bill that states "Turkey Republic feels extremely sorry for the atrocities, mass murders, rapes, steals and other inhuman acts which are done by Ittihadist and Kemalist governments against Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Kurds, Turks and other peoples of Anatolia"
3- Open borders and remove obstacles in ports between Armenia and Turkey
4- Erect a monument just in the border line dedicated to Genocides one side in Armenian, one side in Turkish
5- Accept exiled people of Anatolia to settle their homeland as equal citizens
6- Give compensation to Armenia annually in the name of humanitarian aid
7- Establish a new constitution that doesnot contain any kind of nationalism and Kemalism
8- Start negotiations between 4 countries to solve problems
9- Solve problem in Cyprus
10- Recognize and support Kurdish language and Kurdish people
11- Establish Anatolian People Institution in proper universities that research and develop Anatolian peoples' languages, culture and civilization
12- Start a student exchange programme between Armenia and Turkey
13- Return all properties of foundations that were confiscated by the state
14- Abolish Religious Affairs Administration
15- Abolish obligatory "religion" classes
16- Sue officials especially for those who intervened inhuman acts
17- Issue a general amnesty for political prisoners
18- Remove all portraits, statues and such things of Kemal from squares, roads, streets, public offices, schools etc.
19- Return original names of villages, towns, cities etc. and stop Turkifying place names
20- Rewrite educational books according to "real history"

14- that means you dont want a state controlled religon. you think you know everything well. but you dont know islam. islam is not compateble with democracy. if you let islam go, you will get iran. the satan's country.

18- not possible. but we must not go on to put new ones. he is our symbol--even if not yours-- this doesnt mean that we will follow kemalizm ,iwhich is invented after his death.


most of the other things you wrote can not and will not happen in our life time. but some of them must and will.

[ardakilic]

14- that means you dont want a state controlled religon. you think you know everything well. but you dont know islam. islam is not compateble with democracy. if you let islam go, you will get iran. the satan's country.

Yes, in a secular country neither state controls religion nor religion controls state. I can feel sarcasm in the sentence "you know everything well" but no problem. How do you know that i dont know İslam? You can hate a religion but cannot offer destruction of it.

18- not possible. but we must not go on to put new ones. he is our symbol--even if not yours-- this doesnt mean that we will follow kemalizm ,iwhich is invented after his death.

Do you know that Kemal is the first dictator in the world who erected his own statues in the country he ruled?

[lal]

Yes, in a secular country neither state controls religion nor religion controls state. I can feel sarcasm in the sentence "you know everything well" but no problem. How do you know that i dont know İslam? You can hate a religion but cannot offer destruction of it.



Do you know that Kemal is the first dictator in the world who erected his own statues in the country he ruled?

you said you can even translate kuran from arabic to turkish. that means you know it very well. and although you are a kuran expert, you still claim that in secular country state should not control religon. than you dont know islam. this is not sarcazm. it is reality. if you cant destroy islam, you need to hide the real islam from people. ı am totally against leaving islam uncontrolled. ı dont want to be one of the 40 hoori of anybody before ı die.

ı read sevan nişanyans opinions. well, you think exactly the same. this is difficult for me to swallow. ı love ataturk and this will not change. he is a modern man. and his hatred of islam ,by itself is enough for me to adore him.

on the other hand, although it is very difficult for me to follow you, ı realised that turkish state deceive us by teaching wrong history. we are not the oppressed, but we are the oppressors to different people. ı understood this.

[ardakilic]

you said you can even translate kuran from arabic to turkish. that means you know it very well. and although you are a kuran expert, you still claim that in secular country state should not control religon. than you dont know islam. this is not sarcazm. it is reality. if you cant destroy islam, you need to hide the real islam from people. ı am totally against leaving islam uncontrolled. ı dont want to be one of the 40 hoori of anybody before ı die.

I didnot claim that i am an expert on Koran. If Islam is assumed to be "dangerous" all divine religions should be accepted as dangerous. And your last sentence: There is no verse in Koran, there is no sayings of prophet Mohammad about that issue.

ı read sevan nişanyans opinions. well, you think exactly the same. this is difficult for me to swallow. ı love ataturk and this will not change. he is a modern man. and his hatred of islam ,by itself is enough for me to adore him.

Cant you see that you follow Kemalism as a religion? And no single word about erection of statues? Did you read all the book? Woow!

on the other hand, although it is very difficult for me to follow you, ı realised that turkish state deceive us by teaching wrong history. we are not the oppressed, but we are the oppressors to different people. ı understood this.

Tell me a single difference in mentality and ideology between Enver and Kemal? Who deceived you? So-called "Sun Language Theory"?