All Genocides Are The Same

[Sako]

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Crimson, I'm not saying the entire world has idolized Turkey and wants to commit Genocide now as a ritual. I'm saying Turkey was the first and the first always set's some type of example. And no matter what happens, Turkey will always be looked at as the first pervert of the 20th Century when it comes down to Genocide. And regarding Hitler, he didn't exactly fail. He did enough damage to change the world and that in itself spells success. Many, many people followed in his foot steps, make no mistake, and he followed Turkey in certain ways so there's a chain reaction right there. I'm not saying that we have to all pile up on Turkey now and blame her for EVERYTHING but if she doesn't accept what happened, she'll have more problems then she has now in the future.

[Palavra]

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There were genocide before 1915 and There will be genocides. Turkey has no relation with this fact.

[Alexandros]

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There were genocide before 1915 and There will be genocides. Turkey has no relation with this fact.

LOL.Ok, whatever.

[Sako]

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There were genocide before 1915 and There will be genocides. Turkey has no relation with this fact.

In the 20th Century, your country was the first to commit Genocide and the world will always look at it that way. The first is always special. The past is different. The 20th century marked a new beginning and Turkey's new beginning started with blood. I think Turks in general can't seem to digest that fact properly. If they just accept what happened and move on, everything won't be difficult as it is nowadays. Go teach your people how to get this issue cleared instead of thinking everythings hopeless. Grab an opportunity my opportunist friend and let's get something done. You might even be able to answer my other posts, lol.

[Palavra]

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In the 20th Century, your country was the first to commit Genocide and the world will always look at it that way. The first is always special.

haha you are right. So It is not first century. 20th century.. Nothing special.

[Crimson Glow]

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Crimson, I'm not saying the entire world has idolized Turkey and wants to commit Genocide now as a ritual. I'm saying Turkey was the first and the first always set's some type of example.

Well, regardless of what we think of Palavra, s/he is right in the sense that the Armenian Genocide was far from the 1st. In fact, I remember reading something on this very site about a far lessor known genocide being committed just prior to the Armenian Genocide, so THAT was the 1st genocide of the 20th century.

And regarding Hitler, he didn't exactly fail. He did enough damage to change the world and that in itself spells success. Many, many people followed in his foot steps, make no mistake, and he followed Turkey in certain ways so there's a chain reaction right there.

Doing loads of damage is not success. If you are caught, and punished for it (as Germany was as a nation), you're far from successful. Germany has had to pay MILLIONS (if not billions) in monetary and territorial reparations to the J3WS, and continues to do so today. I'd think that would be a deterrent for anyone contemplating to follow Hitler's footsteps.

I'm not saying that we have to all pile up on Turkey now and blame her for EVERYTHING but if she doesn't accept what happened, she'll have more problems then she has now in the future.

Certainly not disagreeing with that. That's the irony. If that moronic country had a clue, they'd realize they're only making things harder on themselves by downplaying the events, or justifying their actions. By denying it, they're romanticizing the cause. It's not like by forking out an obscene amount of lobbying money, the problem is going to go away. You can silence those governments on the issue, but you still can't silence the Armenian organizations and lobbying groups in those countries. If they just admitted their wrong doings and apologized for them, EVERYone would be able to move on, including Turkey. THAT'S the only to put this subject to rest, just as the Germans did many decades ago. But they don't get that. They're too caught up in preserving their false history as a nation (not just about the genocide, but as a whole), and immediately silencing anyone that questions their version of that history under the delusion that they can actually control, or silence the entire population.

[Sako]

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Well, regardless of what we think of Palavra, s/he is right in the sense that the Armenian Genocide was far from the 1st. In fact, I remember reading something on this very site about a far lessor known genocide being committed just prior to the Armenian Genocide, so THAT was the 1st genocide of the 20th century.

Really? I’d love to read about, seriously. Just remember, not every calamity can fall under the category of Genocide. And just incase, I don’t think anything bad of Palavra, I just don’t like the way he/she thinks everything is hopeless. If you sit around, yeah, everything is hopeless.

Doing loads of damage is not success.

But it catches people’s attention. And just incase, Hitler was very close to bringing everyone down if it wasn’t for Russia. This catches people’s attention. Let me put it this way, if someone does something then it almost gives others the permission to do the same as well, doesn’t matter if they get caught or not. They think, “Hey, if he did, why can’t I?” My point is that the first major wrongdoer sets an example for others in subtle ways. It’s like that even in life. I can give you many examples. If I do something wrong, I set a bad example for my little brother. In school, if one bully starts pushing people around, other kids begin to feel more reassured that they’ll be able to get away with whatever they want to do, even if the bully gets caught. There are people that learn a lesson and never try to do the same but there are many retards that DON’T. Hitler was one of them. And remember, Turkey got away with everything …… till today.

If you are caught, and punished for it (as Germany was as a nation), you're far from successful. Germany has had to pay MILLIONS (if not billions) in monetary and territorial reparations to the J3WS, and continues to do so today. I'd think that would be a deterrent for anyone contemplating to follow Hitler's footsteps.

Like I said, it doesn’t matter if someone gets away with it or not. The action is what matters.

Certainly not disagreeing with that. That's the irony. If that moronic country had a clue, they'd realize they're only making things harder on themselves by downplaying the events, or justifying their actions. By denying it, they're romanticizing the cause. It's not like by forking out an obscene amount of lobbying money, the problem is going to go away. You can silence those governments on the issue, but you still can't silence the Armenian organizations and lobbying groups in those countries. If they just admitted their wrong doings and apologized for them, EVERYone would be able to move on, including Turkey. THAT'S the only to put this subject to rest, just as the Germans did many decades ago. But they don't get that. They're too caught up in preserving their false history as a nation (not just about the genocide, but as a whole), and immediately silencing anyone that questions their version of that history under the delusion that they can actually control, or silence the entire population.

Couldn’t have said it better. Their really ridiculous. Look at it this way. They are afraid of having to pay piles of money to Armenia and spend MORE money trying to cover the AG up. They should stop hitting themselves, lol. The problem is that they don’t care about the money or anything, they have much bigger problems standing in their way if they even think of accepting the AG. Too bad they’ll have to. I feel sorry for the good hearted people that have to pay for everything in the end.

[Crimson Glow]

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Like I said, it doesn’t matter if someone gets away with it or not. The action is what matters.

Well than this contradicts your position, and basically reiterates what I've been saying. If the action is what matters, then it doesn't matter if the AG is recognized, or if the perpetrates are punished. It's the action they committed that mattered to Hitler, or anyone else inspired by them.

The only way genocides are going to be prevented is if you have something of interest to the super powers of the world. It is the reason they left Armenians to die, the reason America stepped in the minute Kuwait was threatened, and the reason that we're wasting time, money and resources in Iraq to set it's citizens "free" while a REAL genocide goes on in Darfur, and nobody cares.

I'm not saying it's not important to recognize the AG. It's VERY important. Just not for the reason of "it would have prevented future genocides had it been recognized years ago".

[Sako]

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Well than this contradicts your position, and basically reiterates what I've been saying. If the action is what matters, then it doesn't matter if the AG is recognized, or if the perpetrates are punished. It's the action they committed that mattered to Hitler, or anyone else inspired by them.

Crimson, you can't look at every incident in the same way. The AG was one of the first, if not the first MAJOR Genocide the world ever witnessed. If it was stopped, something would've been different today. People would feel more secure, criminals would not be so ready to do Genocide, people would look at the world in a different knowing that an xxxxxxx tried to destroy an entire race and he was stopped, and finally, Hitler wouldn't have seen the annihilation of the Armenian people and would have to find some other way to convince his generals that his plans would work. Are you kidding me? If not a lot, many things at least would've been different today. But simply stating that EVERYTHING would've been different today is pointless and wrong. We can never know what WOULD'VE happened so let's move on. This conversation is a little thing I like to call over, I think we understood each other perfectly.

The only way genocides are going to be prevented is if you have something of interest to the super powers of the world. It is the reason they left Armenians to die, the reason America stepped in the minute Kuwait was threatened, and the reason that we're wasting time, money and resources in Iraq to set it's citizens "free" while a REAL genocide goes on in Darfur, and nobody cares.

Can't disagree there but I think that the people are starting to play a great role nowadays in politics. The gov. of the world are forced to listen more and talk less.

I'm not saying it's not important to recognize the AG. It's VERY important. Just not for the reason of "it would have prevented future genocides had it been recognized years ago".

Perfectly said, we have enough reasons to recognize the AG. We don't need a pointless reason like you stated above to recognize it.