Recognition and Restitution

[Haykakan]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

A good example of what cat is trying to say would be the crap spewing out of aliev's mouth about getting karabagh back etc. It is meant for the azeri masses, to play on their patriotism and nothing more. I dont know the book in question here but i think this is the right analagy you are looking for.

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

It's not quite the same in the Armenian Republic. There, academics have become somewhat marginalised and irrelevent since independence, so some of them have started to spout extreme nationalist views, pseudo-history, and extremist religious opinions, in order to feel important and accepted.

So Bell, is Ghazarian from RA or Diaspora??

Ghazarian's book appears to be a "by an Armenian for Armenians" work. It is not a text book about the Armenian genocide, it is a book about what Armenians thinks a non-Armenian should know about the Armenian genocide.

Are you contradicting yourself there? It's "by an Armenian for Armenians" aimed at non-Armenians...........................or do I misunderstand you?

[hrai]

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If you don't suspect something is seriously wrong with the aims, content and scope of Ghazarian's book by just looking at the photos on that ebay link I gave, then the near total lack of reviews of the book should. Compare it to the number of reviews that a serious book gets - such as Dadrian's "History of the Armenian Genocide", or even a lightweight work like Balakian's "Burning Tigris".

Thanks for the condescension......I didn't even follow your ebay link which I trust is not your only source of research, oh yeah you use wikipedia too.
I have this book on my shelves, in 3 languages.
BTW. Hayk Ghazarian, Dean of the Faculty of History & Philosophy and holder of the Chair of USSR History at Yerevan State University.

[hrai]

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Nor does he seem to put much faith in the power of his own writing if he needs to tail-end his book with numerous pages of quotes from the likes of George Bush to make the point that the Armenian Genocide happened.

A jaundiced world viewed through jaundiced eyes...............I believe the quotes he includes are to highlight the people who made them.
Nothing more.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

So Bell, is Ghazarian from RA or Diaspora??



Are you contradicting yourself there? It's "by an Armenian for Armenians" aimed at non-Armenians...........................or do I misunderstand you?

I didn't write exactly what I had intended to write. Yes, it's contents seem to be what an Armenian thinks a non-Armenian should know about the Armenain Genocide. But it is still a "by an Armenian for Armenians" work because everyone who will buy it will be Armenian. It's content and the way it has been written (regardless of the intent of its author) is not designed to appeal to a non-Armenian audience. For example, why would a non-Armenian audience be interested in seeing dozens of photographs of cities in Turkey that once had an Armenian population, or dozens of modern photos of Armenian Church leaders and politicians? Maybe the intent of the author was not to target a non-Armenian audience, but to appeal to what an Armenian audience felt a non-Armenian audience would want. Maybe that was the only way he could get funding for it, funding from Armenians.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

A jaundiced world viewed through jaundiced eyes...............I believe the quotes he includes are to highlight the people who made them.
Nothing more.

No, he does not trust the power of his own writing, of the way he presents the facts, to convince the reader of the reality of the genocide. So at the end of his book he thinks he has to rely on pages worth of sound-bite statements of (non-Armenian) non-expert politicians to finally convince.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

I have this book on my shelves, in 3 languages.

I wish you could see that you have just made my point. Why do you have it in 3 languages? Because you are Armenian and you, as an Armenian, are expected by other Armenians to have it, and have it in all its editions. Who else but Armenians are going to buy it?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

A good example of what cat is trying to say would be the crap spewing out of aliev's mouth about getting karabagh back etc. It is meant for the azeri masses, to play on their patriotism and nothing more. I dont know the book in question here but i think this is the right analagy you are looking for.

And a lot of other stuff we never get to read or hear about because it is only for internal consumption. Sometimes it slips out, like the racist cartoons by Kerim Kerimov. http://www.kerimkerimov.az/caricatures1.htm

[hrai]

Re: Recognition and Restitution

I didn't write exactly what I had intended to write. Yes, it's contents seem to be what an Armenian thinks a non-Armenian should know about the Armenain Genocide. But it is still a "by an Armenian for Armenians" work because everyone who will buy it will be Armenian. It's content and the way it has been written (regardless of the intent of its author) is not designed to appeal to a non-Armenian audience. For example, why would a non-Armenian audience be interested in seeing dozens of photographs of cities in Turkey that once had an Armenian population, or dozens of modern photos of Armenian Church leaders and politicians? Maybe the intent of the author was not to target a non-Armenian audience, but to appeal to what an Armenian audience felt a non-Armenian audience would want. Maybe that was the only way he could get funding for it, funding from Armenians.

Bell, I'll take your word on that!!!!!!!!

[hrai]

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I wish you could see that you have just made my point. Why do you have it in 3 languages? Because you are Armenian and you, as an Armenian, are expected by other Armenians to have it, and have it in all its editions. Who else but Armenians are going to buy it?

have you read it Bell, or are you basing your criticism on reviews on ebay and photos?
If you read it, did you borrow from a library?