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Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
Two quotes from the
Protocol on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations
Between Republic of Armenia and Republic of Turkey
A) “Reconfirming their commitment, in their bilateral and international relations, to respect and ensure respect for the principles equality, sovereignty, non intervention in internal affairs of other states, territorial integrity and inviolability of frontiers.”
“Confirming the mutual recognition of the existing border between the two countries as defined by the relevant treaties of international law.”
Does Turkey mean Kars or Sevr treaty?
B) “2. Agree to Conduct regular political consultation between the Ministries of Foreign Affairs of the two countries;
Implement a dialogue on the historical dimension with the aim to restore mutual confidence between the two nations, including an impartial and scientific examination of the historical records and archives to define existing problems and formulate recommendations”
I hope the term dialog , above, wouldn’t become a Turkish – Armenian separate commission on AG.Last edited by gegev; 09-01-2009, 09:06 AM.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
I think this is the exact and critical time for the former president Robert Kocharyan to step in, with his strong stance, and express his opinion on the protocol to face the Turkish attacks to prevent Armenia’s complete withdrawal.
Levon Ter-Petrosyan approved the "protocol", his opinion doesn't matter, he is dead as an opposition leader.
I assume Kocharyan's opinion will be very interesting for all Armenians.
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Originally posted by gegev View PostI think this is the exact and critical time for the former president Robert Kocharyan to step in, with his strong stance, and express his opinion on the protocol to face the Turkish attacks to prevent Armenia’s complete withdrawal.
Levon Ter-Petrosyan approved the "protocol", his opinion doesn't matter, he is dead as an opposition leader.
I assume Kocharyan's opinion will be very interesting for all Armenians.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
Originally posted by Anoush View PostGegev jan, I was thinking the same thing the past couple of days, not only Kocharian but I wish, I really wish that Voskanian comes back to negotiate with the turks himself.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
Russia today thinks only about its economic benefits from the gas pipeline to be constructed with Turkey’s approval and other bilateral business projects. Now Russia lets others to do everything with Armenia; Turkey and the rest of countries would like. And even threatens us “politely”.
But I guess USA urged Turkey to agree with Russia on that, for a while ensuring Turkey’s support or neutrality in Iraq, until American troops will be taken out. And, soon enough, Russia unexpectedly will find that America is replacing its bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, Georgia and may be even solving its problems with Iran.
Leaving Turkey to face turmoil, instability and the “gas pipeline deal” facilitated by USA would be impossible to rely on. Then USA after throwing Turkey out of NATO will offer it to Russia, free of charge, to use.
But Russia doesn't know about the American plans yet?
Or it is done under the pressure of the Islamic Repulics of Russia (20% of overall pupulation are Muslims) as a gesture of solidarity with Turkey?
Will see …Last edited by gegev; 09-28-2009, 04:42 AM.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
This is a very dark juncture in the Armenian history.
It will give a birth to a great national leader, we are waiting for. Just wait a little bit and he will introduce himself, I’m sure.
Every cataclysm, throughout Armenian history, created its own Sasuntsi Davit.
Welcome!!!Last edited by gegev; 10-21-2009, 10:38 PM.
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Originally posted by gegev View PostBut I guess USA urged Turkey to agree with Russia on that, for a while ensuring Turkey’s support or neutrality in Iraq, until American troops will be taken out. And, soon enough, Russia unexpectedly will find that America is replacing its bases from Turkey to Kurdistan, Georgia
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Originally posted by Army View Postnope US would not leave a strong ally such as Turkey. A Turkey against US strategies in the region would be more effective than any US influenced Georgian or another state.
USA can’t afford any more offering Turkey billions in credits, as it was done in past, owing to its currently ruined economic/financial position and second grade currency-dollar.
Nowadays America is an outstanding country in terms of its huge liabilities; the inflated dollar; spread all over the world and the nuclear arms that will prevent the rest of the world to demand paying the debts back.
This is why US agreed to let Turkey offer her “services” to Russia, and Russia would pay, as you know, 15% of the gas pipeline proceeds. Because the “services” Turkey offers to the mighty are not free of charge. For a while Russia will “enjoy” it.
Given the realities stated above, after moving the US troops out of Iraq, the costly love affaire with Turks will turn into a profitable deal for the US (it wouldn’t cost a penny to America) removing its military bases from Turkey to the Republic of Kurdistan (and Georgia). Then commanding Kurds pumping the oil to USA in exchange of the old arms, they will give Kurds to fight Turks. This will reduce US astronomical budget deficit, which is the most needed thing for America to do now.
For a while Turkey will be leaded by EU and Russia (in addition it will obey US due to EU influence). And then, when the oil reserves are depleted, US will accept the AG bill and together with Russia, EU and Armenia will split Turkey, as in the case of Yugoslavia, into three unequal shares; the smaller one will be given to Armenia.
Then Turks together with their agriculture/culture will be leaving for Altay.
Bye!!!Last edited by gegev; 10-23-2009, 04:36 AM.
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Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.
Is not that too dreamy?
Why should US want a Kurdish-Turkish conflict in the area. In a future war Turks would definitely totally destroy a Kurdish state. It would take years, I mean more than 50 years to any state in the region (except Russians, Iran and Israel) to balance (or defeat) the Turkish Army alone.
And I do not think that Americans would like to have a new battle in the region against Turks to defend Kurds.
So, I believe, Washington would do anything to keep the peace between Kurds and Turks. Not because they love Kurds, but to secure the oil lines.
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