Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Note please that there was established the Israel-Palestine Road-Map (and although the Artsakh process is not called Road-Map, but it is the same thing) led nowhere.

So this doesn’t mean anything else than enabling Turkey to lie officially, through the help of the Switzerland mediator, on achieving ‘tangible progress’, to prevent AG recognition.

Please estimate; how much the ‘tangible progress’ costs (or weighs) on the eve of AG commemoration?

Regards,

Gegev

Some advice - if you don't want to be identified as the Turkish agent provocateur that you are, you should try to stop ending your posts with that insincere "Regards".

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Some advice - if you don't want to be identified as the Turkish agent provocateur that you are, you should try to stop ending your posts with that insincere "Regards".

The regards doesn’t refer to cats. Who is this: supports the Turks, attacks only Armenians, claims to be Armenian and talks only around not about the subject. I don’t talk to the creatures like that.

I will ignore it.

With ignoring,

Gegev

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Can you square this circle?
Kurds independent but USA keeping control of everything?

By that I meant anything important, any oil,etc I am sure the USA and Turkey will try their best to stop the Kurds getting.

[hrai]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

By that I meant anything important, any oil,etc I am sure the USA and Turkey will try their best to stop the Kurds getting.

So not independent then.

[Eddo211]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Atila:
It is time for you to get off your high horse and open your Turkish skull and get it trough your fascist brain that we will never let this go and you have big trouble coming you way in the future.
What you don’t believe me? Just look at your paranoid leaders of this big bad excuse of a country called Turkey and how far they actually go to try to stop us, this small improvished Nation…………..do you want to know why?
Because they never counted on the Armenians to ever make such a comeback and advance as far as they have let alone the nightmare of them growing stronger in their will every year……….all of this while your Government themselves are slowly loosing their grip on this big lie that they have condemned their people to and have forced them to live with no National honor, generation after generation.

And that brings us to you.
Why do you feel the need to come here and start barking out orders and telling us what we should and should not believe in. You really think a clown like you can change our mind?

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Do you agree that?;

1. Obama will withdraw the US troops out of Iraq, because it costs milliards of dollars to America and in current situation US cannot afford it. Cutting down military expenses would enable America to fight the economic crisis a little bit effectively.

1. Obama is moving the troops out of Iraq maybe. But in fact if you read anything outside the media aka military sources they have no clear withdrawl...back to bases sure...but they won't leave until Iraq is secure enough for the Iraqi government to take over. Any troops that leave Iraq are being diverted to Afghanistan.

As refers to the military bases: Yes sure US will create in Kurdish territory strong military bases and leave there some limited number of troops. Taking out about 130,000 solders will be a big relief for the US budget.

In addition to the above mentioned arguments, US dollar, the most effective US strategic and economic ‘super weapon’ became a second grade unstable currency and the other superpowers already announced about their desire to replace it with a new international one. Thus if US doesn’t take radical action, in terms of cutting down the astronomical expenses; China with the help of Russia is going to replace USA.

2. After the US troops are back home. Who will insure that US interests in Iraq (oil reserves, etc.) are handled in the way America wants; the pro Iranian Shias, Sunis or the Federative Republic of Iraq?

The only answer is; the Kurdish Republic of Iraq! Because united (Federative) Iraq is impossible to maintain after US troop’s withdrawal.

2. Iraq will divide up eventually...Kurds will likely get independence (and be supported by enemies of Israel). But US will never give up control of anything to the Kurds as that would hurt US relations with Turkey and Israel severly...no US president would risk that even Obama.

The only thing Obama wouldn’t dare doing is; leaving America in current dire economic situation. And you are right leaving Iraq is the only solution.

When the Kurdish State will become US ally, whom will support America at last resort; Turks or Kurds? Then the Iraq Kurds will coordinate their actions with the ones in Turkey and help them
and Turkey will be submerged in civil war with Kurd inside the country.

3. After making the Kurdish Republic of Iraq America’s successor in Iraq, which is inevitable, Turkey will consider US as its #1 enemy.

Note please that in past, when Turks refused Americans suggestion to use their military bases against Iraq; means that the AG recognition by USA was not that a big threat for Turkey.

3. US and Turkey will never be enemies because of the NATO alliance, and also due to the fact that Turkey and Russia hate each other (historically anyway) and I doubt anyone on the Turkish side would consider leaving the US sphere of protection (no matter what the US does).

You know that the troop’s withdrawal, according to Obama, is planned next year. Therefore the radical changes in US-Turkey relations will happen in 2010:
As refers to the Turkey’s NATO membership; Is it difficult for the America and other Senior NATO members to kick out of NATO Turkey when it, in fact, will become US enemy?

But now promoting US interests Obama exerted pressure on Armenia and Turkey to get a lame, Road-Map excuse, pretending that he believes the Turkish “lies” for not telling the Genocide, legally recognized word this year.

By the way the Armenian-Turkish Road-Map talks – in future, after being rejected by Armenian population and accepting AG bill by US will gradually turn into Redraw-Map talks. And Turkey’s desire to get the Kars treaty signed by Armenia, may reach the opposite result.

4. But now US has stronger means to keep Turks in obedience. After passing the AG bill in Congress Obama may terrify Turks telling that, after the AG bill is passed, there are all legal and justifiable arguments in place to start, together with EU and other countries, AG compensation procedure under UN auspices.

Under that threat Turkey will agree with everything USA and EU suggest, to keep the lands of the perished under its control,a little bit longer.

4. I doubt Obama will personally support the bill through, he will announce it yes. Maybe give a speech but in the end Obama is not the US congress and they might just end up abstaining, and some voting yes and no. Politicians can be bribed and manipulated by both Turks and Israeli's as it has been done before. The bill might almost pass I agree...but I put the odds of it passing at 55%.

Also the Turkish government in its present form will never make concessions or compensation to Kurds let alone Armenians.

Until the Turkish government becomes more democratic or allows full freedom of expression and freeedom of speech to all its minorities there will never really be any acceptance in Turkey that the Armenian Genocide happened. This is simply because most people will be too afraid to question their own government, society and way of life if there are severe consequences in doing so such as the punishment of imprisonment which is given out by 501 (insulting turkishness).

AG recognition by Obama, this year, proved to be incorrect! But I’m sure that Congress will pass it.

As refers to the US next steps of getting prepared for troops withdrawal:
a) Not preventing the Kurdish Republic creation,
b) Passing the AG bill

And as a result US automatically becomes the Turkey’s enemy #1.

After the Road-Map plan on establishment of the Armenian-Turkish historians joint commission on AG is failed. And it will; because even Hitler (Their ally. Did you forget it?) accepted that it happened and it never ever would be punished; therefore he carried out the xxxish Holocaust, otherwise he wouldn’t. So after passing the AG bill by the US, Turks will be terrified; because de facto all the legal arguments, to start de jure compensation procedure (as it was done with Turks former ally), will be in place.

As we learned from Obama’s statement on 2009 Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day, right now, in fact they consider to be premature telling the word Genocide. Nevertheless note please that he used very strong words: 1. atrocities and 2. Meds Yeghern, which appropriately are synonyms of barbarities and Genocide.

So, in that regard, I don’t blame Obama much, taking into account the US interest in “making” Turks not disturb America in Iraq, for just one year; by 2010. You know that Turks can’t support US in Iraq directly, because the majority of population Shias and Kurds will confront them.

So a) and b) will happen by the year 2010. And America can’t leave troops in Iraq, at any cost to its taxpayers, just to accommodate Turks national interest; of preventing establishment of the Kurdish Republic in Iraq.

As refers to your thoughts on Turkish democracy and diplomacy;

For centuries they been based on the absolute lie and Turkey’s whole population (including Turks) fear to be slaughtered for saying something against the rulers. Remember their behavior during the Genocide and now.

The countries that had mutual interests with Turkey, like Germany during the Genocide period ( and during WW2 too), imitated that they believe their words (that they are just moving Armenians to other locations), as an excuse, to continue supporting them and served their own interests.

Now Erdogan gave another excuse to USA for not accepting the AG bill for a while; the Armenian-Turkish Road-Map. And announced that all the major points of the agreement, on opening borders between Turkey and Armenia, are agreed upon. Then continued that Artsakh issue should be solved by taking out Armenian troops.

Can we give Armenians of Artsakh to Turks to carry out another Genocide on them?

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

When AG bill will be accepted by US Congress, the same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the US requires, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

Regards,

Gegev

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Maybe.

[Eddo211]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

I don’t think so slick. Yea, the Russians left us in cold because they never really cared other than for themselves but we held you back long enough that it eventually led to your defeat of WWI while we were outnumbered outgunned with no provisions; you come up against an Armenian one on one you will loose every time, your fathers knew that very well.
You cowards only like to kill innocent women and children, make you feel like man? You are nothing, you run like a rabbit when bugged down. Go ahead and worship your false God Ataturk to help you out because you are going to need it soon enough.

So few of us decided to fight back for our survival, we humiliated you on the battlefield and you decided to revenge by killing the whole Armenians civilians which had no idea what is going on. You gassed children in our own Churches. Turkish Warriors at their best. You think we are going to let you get away with such work of devil?

Eastern Turkey is Western Armenia, it was never yours…………..payback will be xxxxx Turk and it will not come the way you think, it will hit you hard and you will never see it.

You wanna know my prediction Turkey?? PAIN

[hrai]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

For one last time
get your big and ugly Armenian nose out of my country.

So Mr Eshegoglu, this is where we say goodbye then, until another time, another place.

[Pazooki]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

For one last time it wasn't genoicide...

Oh it wasn't?


THERE WAS A GENOCIDE THERE WAS A GENOCIDE THERE WAS A GENOCIDE THERE WAS A GENOCIDE THERE WAS A GENOCIDE THERE WAS A GENOCIDE

Don't like my words? Do something Turk.