Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Along with most of us stand I resolute in our hopes, i go along with gegev's very good analysis.

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Gegev's analysis reminds me of a funny T-shirt caption I saw whilst walking by a healthy young girl in Bagdat Caddesi (an upscale shopping district in Istanbul). It said: "IMPOSSIBLE WISH".

It must of been a gigantic t-shirt

[Gavur]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

So eager in fact that they've sent the leader of the worlds only super power, Obama, to address the Turkish Parliament and backslap and shake hands with its leaders.

Yes and he backslepped their necks and fingered their behind,the lot of them.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Gegev's analysis reminds me of a funny T-shirt caption I saw whilst walking by a healthy young girl in Bagdat Caddesi (an upscale shopping district in Istanbul). It said: "IMPOSSIBLE WISH".

This guy reminds me one of the Azeri “Army” solders, who fled from Artsakh battle field to Istanbul. His ancestors could kill only unarmed people. Therefore this became an Internet solder; it must be much safer, I understand; this is the typical “brave” behavior for the kind of creatures; instead of trying to bring counterarguments or fighting, if possible.

I remind you that the subject under discussion below is not the “cow” you mentioned. I’m former math teacher and I know the kind of children who talks around, not about, the subject.

Do you agree that?;

1. Obama will withdraw the US troops out of Iraq, because it costs milliards of dollars to America and in current situation US cannot afford it. Cutting down military expenses would enable America to fight the economic crisis a little bit effectively.

2. After the US troops are back home. Who will insure that US interests in Iraq (oil reserves, etc.) are handled in the way America wants; the pro Iranian Shias, Sunis or the Federative Republic of Iraq?

The only answer is; the Kurdish Republic of Iraq! Because united (Federative) Iraq is impossible to maintain after US troop’s withdrawal.

3. After making the Kurdish Republic of Iraq America’s successor in Iraq, which is inevitable, Turkey will consider US as its #1 enemy.

Note please that in past, when Turks refused Americans suggestion to use their military bases against Iraq; means that the AG recognition by USA was not that a big threat for Turkey.

4. But now US has stronger means to keep Turks in obedience. After passing the AG bill in Congress Obama may terrify Turks telling that, after the AG bill is passed, there are all legal and justifiable arguments in place to start, together with EU and other countries, AG compensation procedure under UN auspices.

Under that threat Turkey will agree with everything USA and EU suggest, to keep the lands of the perished under its control, a little bit longer.

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

The same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries and barking, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the bosses require, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

Regards,

Gegev

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

This guy reminds me one of the Azeri “Army” solders, who fled from Artsakh battle field to Istanbul. His ancestors could kill only unarmed people. Therefore this became an Internet solder; it must be much safer, I understand; this is the typical “brave” behavior for the kind of creatures; instead of trying to bring counterarguments or fighting, if possible.

I remind you that the subject under discussion below is not the “cow” you mentioned. I’m former math teacher and I know the kind of children who talks around, not about, the subject.

And you, gegev, remind me of an agent provocateur.

[gegev]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

a)

Do you agree that?;

1. Obama will withdraw the US troops out of Iraq, because it costs milliards of dollars to America and in current situation US cannot afford it. Cutting down military expenses would enable America to fight the economic crisis a little bit effectively.

2. After the US troops are back home. Who will insure that US interests in Iraq (oil reserves, etc.) are handled in the way America wants; the pro Iranian Shias, Sunis or the Federative Republic of Iraq?

The only answer is; the Kurdish Republic of Iraq! Because united (Federative) Iraq is impossible to maintain after US troop’s withdrawal.

3. After making the Kurdish Republic of Iraq America’s successor in Iraq, which is inevitable, Turkey will consider US as its #1 enemy.

Note please that in past, when Turks refused Americans suggestion to use their military bases against Iraq; means that the AG recognition by USA was not that a big threat for Turkey.

4. But now US has stronger means to keep Turks in obedience. After passing the AG bill in Congress Obama may terrify Turks telling that, after the AG bill is passed, there are all legal and justifiable arguments in place to start, together with EU and other countries, AG compensation procedure under UN auspices.

Under that threat Turkey will agree with everything USA and EU suggest, to keep the lands of the perished under its control, a little bit longer.

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

The same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries and barking, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the bosses require, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

Regards,

Gegev

b)

Along with most of us stand I resolute in our hopes, i go along with gegev's very good analysis.

c)

Gegev's analysis reminds me of a funny T-shirt caption I saw whilst walking by a healthy young girl in Bagdat Caddesi (an upscale shopping district in Istanbul). It said: "IMPOSSIBLE WISH".

d)

This guy reminds me one of the Azeri “Army” solders, who fled from Artsakh battle field to Istanbul. His ancestors could kill only unarmed people. Therefore this became an Internet solder; it must be much safer, I understand; this is the typical “brave” behavior for the kind of creatures; instead of trying to bring counterarguments or fighting, if possible.

I remind you that the subject under discussion below is not the “cow” you mentioned. I’m former math teacher and I know the kind of children who talks around, not about, the subject.

e)

And you, gegev, remind me of an agent provocateur.

You remind me nothing unbiased.

Gegev

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Your theory is rubbish.

In my opinion you’re just another deluded Armenian creating false hope and illusion.

Or, if my agent provocateur theory is corrrect, he is actually a Turk trying to get easily-deluded Armenians to make fools of themselves (as well as alienating any sympathetic Turkish visitors to this site).

[hipeter924]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

Do you agree that?;

1. Obama will withdraw the US troops out of Iraq, because it costs milliards of dollars to America and in current situation US cannot afford it. Cutting down military expenses would enable America to fight the economic crisis a little bit effectively.

2. After the US troops are back home. Who will insure that US interests in Iraq (oil reserves, etc.) are handled in the way America wants; the pro Iranian Shias, Sunis or the Federative Republic of Iraq?

The only answer is; the Kurdish Republic of Iraq! Because united (Federative) Iraq is impossible to maintain after US troop’s withdrawal.

3. After making the Kurdish Republic of Iraq America’s successor in Iraq, which is inevitable, Turkey will consider US as its #1 enemy.

Note please that in past, when Turks refused Americans suggestion to use their military bases against Iraq; means that the AG recognition by USA was not that a big threat for Turkey.

4. But now US has stronger means to keep Turks in obedience. After passing the AG bill in Congress Obama may terrify Turks telling that, after the AG bill is passed, there are all legal and justifiable arguments in place to start, together with EU and other countries, AG compensation procedure under UN auspices.

Under that threat Turkey will agree with everything USA and EU suggest, to keep the lands of the perished under its control, a little bit longer.

What happened to France-Turkish relations after passing the Armenian Genocide bill … nothing! Now Turks are handling their politics with France more cautiously and politely, than ever before.

The same thing will happen to US-Turkey relations, after a week of bitter cries and barking, Turks will express their readiness to do everything the bosses require, providing that the AG compensation process is frozen for a while.

Regards,

Gegev

1. Obama is moving the troops out of Iraq maybe. But in fact if you read anything outside the media aka military sources they have no clear withdrawl...back to bases sure...but they won't leave until Iraq is secure enough for the Iraqi government to take over. Any troops that leave Iraq are being diverted to Afghanistan.

2. Iraq will divide up eventually...Kurds will likely get independence (and be supported by enemies of Israel). But US will never give up control of anything to the Kurds as that would hurt US relations with Turkey and Israel severly...no US president would risk that even Obama.

3. US and Turkey will never be enemies because of the NATO alliance, and also due to the fact that Turkey and Russia hate each other (historically anyway) and I doubt anyone on the Turkish side would consider leaving the US sphere of protection (no matter what the US does).

4. I doubt Obama will personally support the bill through, he will announce it yes. Maybe give a speech but in the end Obama is not the US congress and they might just end up abstaining, and some voting yes and no. Politicians can be bribed and manipulated by both Turks and Israeli's as it has been done before. The bill might almost pass I agree...but I put the odds of it passing at 55%.

Also the Turkish government in its present form will never make concessions or compensation to Kurds let alone Armenians.

Until the Turkish government becomes more democratic or allows full freedom of expression and freeedom of speech to all its minorities there will never really be any acceptance in Turkey that the Armenian Genocide happened. This is simply because most people will be too afraid to question their own government, society and way of life if there are severe consequences in doing so such as the punishment of imprisonment which is given out by 501 (insulting turkishness).

[hrai]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

2. Iraq will divide up eventually...Kurds will likely get independence (and be supported by enemies of Israel). But US will never give up control of anything to the Kurds as that would hurt US relations with Turkey and Israel severly...no US president would risk that even Obama.

Can you square this circle?
Kurds independent but USA keeping control of everything?

[hrai]

Re: Turkey will be split apart as Iraq is.

1. Obama is moving the troops out of Iraq maybe. But in fact if you read anything outside the media aka military sources

Which military sources do you have access to ?




BTW when you use aka do you mean e.g. ?