Denial of the Genocide

[Gavur]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Some answers to your questions from Hrant Dink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ryWB3jpAbA

And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH0we...eature=related
(There is also a 2nd part of this interview. Could not find English translation/subtitles quickly but I remember it exists somewhere. Knowing Turkish will suffice to guess the questions as well because Hrant speaks in Turkish)

I watched both, this is one of the points didn't support Hrant with.
1)Genocide is politicized, its a fact of life
2)The Turkish state won't move in the right direction unless it has pressures from outside.

I believe Hrant was a better men, but I have been convinced he was wrong on this point from the beginning.

[may]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Garbage is your origins, turk
What you call nonsense? Show me one. You are educated on nonsenses you would know better than that!
Stick your advices in your ass, do not abuse our tolerance, turk!

Take it easy cyber-knight! As a rule of thumb, do not write things in any forum that you don't have the guts to tell face to face...

Relax, take some sedatives (or a herbal tea that has similar effects), take a deep breath, and you'll be fine...

[may]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

I watched both, this is one of the points didn't support Hrant with.
1)Genocide is politicized, its a fact of life
2)The Turkish state won't move in the right direction unless it has pressures from outside.

I believe Hrant was a better men, but I have been convinced he was wrong on this point from the beginning.

I don't know how much of Hrant Dink's thoughts are discussed in this forum compared to comments of hatred directed to Turks over his death. But as far as I see so far, there are few - if any - points made by him will be supported by many of people in this forum. I do not mean that his ideals should be followed by everyone, but I find it odd that what he thinks do not attract as much interest as it should.

[Mukuch]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Take it easy cyber-knight! As a rule of thumb, do not write things in any forum that you don't have the guts to tell face to face...

Relax, take some sedatives (or a herbal tea that has similar effects), take a deep breath, and you'll be fine...

Well the turks (or they call them azeri)I encountered “ face to face “ as enemy , and belive me it wasnt a forum, are mostly dead. And I am still hear...

[may]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Well the turks (or they call them azeri)I encountered “ face to face “ as enemy , and belive me it wasnt a forum, are mostly dead. And I am still hear...

Then I have to reconsider what I said... I think you should either stop playing computer games, or see a doctor...

Neither mixing the reality with virtual games, nor being proud of killing other humans are signs of a healthy/sane psychology.

[Mukuch]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Then I have to reconsider what I said... I think you should either stop playing computer games, or see a doctor...

Neither mixing the reality with virtual games, nor being proud of killing other humans are signs of a healthy/sane psychology.

Well I am not very fond of computer games... kind of out of that age...
If I am proud of killing other humans? Never killed a human being in my life, God forbid me, I am a Christian.
Who said turks are humans? That is some thing new for me.... but well it maybe very interesting and fresh concept
Maybe I will accept that concept if you prove me that turks ( as a collective human race) did anything human during 700-800 years of their history.

You are stupid arent you? Ever heard of Karabakh war?....

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[may]

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Well I am not very fond of computer games... kind of out of that age...
If I am proud of killing other humans? Never killed a human being in my life, God forbid me, I am a Christian.
Who said turks are humans? That is some thing new for me.... but well it maybe very interesting and fresh concept
Maybe I will accept that concept if you prove me that turks ( as a collective human race) did anything human during 700-800 years of their history.

You are stupid arent you? Ever heard of Karabakh war?....

I

Mukuch, you are living example of how world's resources can be wasted. Even the oxygen you inhale while reading these lines just contributes to the greenhouse effect, nothing more.

I will correct my mistake and stop responding you as if you are worth anything.

[Mukuch]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

Mukuch, you are living example of how world's resources can be wasted. Even the oxygen you inhale while reading these lines just contributes to the greenhouse effect, nothing more.

I will correct my mistake and stop responding you as if you are worth anything.

LOL
LOVE WHEN TURKS GET PISSED OF

Don’t kill yourself from frustration it just will free the world from one more turk (although that idea gives me enormous satisfaction), even a "open minded" as you consider yourself, you are still a TURK.

[egeli]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

I think the problem is modified kemalism.

Exactly! Originally, Kemalism was a competing ideology to Turanism. Contemporary Kemalism started after Ataturk's death, under Ismet Inonu. Today, Kemalism has been merged with Turanism.

[Crimson Glow]

Re: Denial of the Genocide

I don't know how much of Hrant Dink's thoughts are discussed in this forum compared to comments of hatred directed to Turks over his death. But as far as I see so far, there are few - if any - points made by him will be supported by many of people in this forum. I do not mean that his ideals should be followed by everyone, but I find it odd that what he thinks do not attract as much interest as it should.

What he thinks got him killed. It is what we keep warning the "let's try a friendly, peaceful approach" type Armenians about. Whether you do it calmly and diplomatically, or you do it harshly and venomously, it doesn't matter. When trying to educate people on this subject, the issue comes down to 2 kinds of Turks:

1. Those that are violently opposed to the truth for nationalist reasons, i.e. the young man who shot Hrant, and was regarded as a hero (cops gave him a Turkish flag, and took pics with him before arresting him), or the attorney who went after HRANT'S SON AND PUBLICIST for "Hrant's crimes" since he died before he could go to trial, and be sentenced. By the way, this same attorney was also charged with plotting the murder of Orhan Pamuk (or as the attorney refers to him for "siding with the Armenians", Orhannes, Pamukyan).

2. Those that are so far gone from being brainwashed by almost a century of Turkish propaganda against the Armenians (and any one else indigenous to the lands they now occupy), that all the truth and evidence in the world would not be enough to get them to come around and understand they've been lied to all these years. Their pride in their country's "heritage" and "history" simply won't allow it.

Therefore, Hrant's ideas for reconciling our difference were no more effective, or better than the "hatred spewing" techniques used by any other rightfully pissed off Armenian. I loved Hrant, and what he tried to do, but I fail to understand why you're saying we should be discussing his ideas in a manner that suggests it would prove to be more fruitful.